Official Map Thread :- Kew Edition

Holy Frankish Empire · Dec 14, 2016

PanOceania said:
That's fine, but the running joke in my mind will be that Kadikistan is a tardis. Because a circle overlaid atop Kadikistan has 4 times more area than a circle in Bourgogne.

I take no issue with Bourgogne having its current area and being 5.5 x 5.5, I think a 5x5 or 6x6 area is perfect for our world. I also apologize for being bombastic about this, but I do firmly believe that I should be able to take a military jet of mine, figure out its combat radius, and be able to draw a circle anywhere on the map and understand how far my plane can reach. And not have to make my circle smaller or bigger because some country has a strange perception of how big (or small, for that matter) it is. Not to shit on Kadikistan in particular for his number, just trying to shit on the whole system to try and get everyone on the same page.

Listen, there are going to be some things on here that just dont make sense or are just accepted. You'll have to see past it. I understand your point about military scenarios and we are going to (as in the past) act on a level of reasonableness.

Until a scale is introduced, just kind of see past it and be reasonable.

Kadikistani Union · Dec 14, 2016

First off, [MENTION=945]PanOceania[/MENTION] I came up with the Burgundian Principle for the same reasons as you are pointing out. When I asked for a scale consensus it was because I wanted to know certain distances for rp (like the Cross-Kadikistani Railways). In applying the Burgundian Principle I literally just put the map on the screen and used my fingers to see how many Bourgogne's fitted in my map roughly. I am a bit surprised that the real number is so much lower (2 really??). Also has Gallia been sized up in the new update? It seems larger.

PanOceania said:
Ultimately, I like the idea of saying that a pixel is a 8 km by 8 km square - or whatever - regardless of where it is on the planet. (That's what I mean by an equal area projection). Then we can determine any country's area, and everyone's size is exactly what they see it as on the map. I can then go "I have about X kilometers of border with blah blah" or "X km^2 of lakes" or whatever. So if the Burgundian Principle does that - I haven't checked yet so I'll go look - then I agree with it.

Though I'm not sure if you just insulted me (what the hell is a 'tardis'?), but I actually agree with this. Can you easily calculate the amount of pixels? What tool do you use?

Khemia · Dec 14, 2016

Kadikistan said:
First off, [MENTION=945]PanOceania[/MENTION] I came up with the Burgundian Principle for the same reasons as you are pointing out. When I asked for a scale consensus it was because I wanted to know certain distances for rp (like the Cross-Kadikistani Railways). In applying the Burgundian Principle I literally just put the map on the screen and used my fingers to see how many Bourgogne's fitted in my map roughly. I am a bit surprised that the real number is so much lower (2 really??). Also has Gallia been sized up in the new update? It seems larger.

Though I'm not sure if you just insulted me (what the hell is a 'tardis'?), but I actually agree with this. Can you easily calculate the amount of pixels? What tool do you use?

A tardis is the blue phone booth that the Doctor gets into to time travel. It looks small, but its the size of a house inside of it. Alternatively, the joke could be "Kadikistan vodka is four times as strong other vodka."

I use Photoshop CS2 magic wand tool to select all the big chunks, zoom in a bit with the select tool to snag any cities, land under city names, or lat-long lines that weren't included. I set the magic wand tool to anti-alias and tolerance 35 to try and grab border and coast pixels, but I don't focus on grabbing them all. I then go to Window>Histogram and there is a thing there that shows the pixel count. If you use the magic wand tool and have the "contiguous" option unselected, it will create multiple selections so the pixels in the histogram will NOT be right (I measured my country this way and thought I was roughly the size of Cuba when in actuality I'm roughly the size of Japan, phew!)

If we had a map with no lat-long and no city names it'd be a lot easier to quickly do, just one click, but this way is just an estimate. Most people when they make their national maps zoom in a lot more and have the liberty to do really fancy borders, so it'd be very difficult to measure the exact area unless you're a geography nerd like me and know how to figure out the scale of pixels like that. But if we had a uniform scale on the official map, it wouldn't be necessary for individual people to calculate their scales.

For determining distance, I just used the select tool to draw a square with corners in either city, went to Window>Info and used the height and width (with measurements set to pixels in photoshop) to determine the hypotenuse. Then I multiplied that by the side of a pixel.

I don't know if GIMP allows you to count pixels, but I know you wouldn't be able to do this process in Paint.

Pelasgia · Dec 14, 2016

Judging by @

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's size comparison, my country is an extremely overpopulated Ukraine, it would seem. I'm thinking of reducing my pop, but the overpopulation fits in with the discontent of much of the public with the results of industrialisation and the general shitty life for the common Pelasgian.

Anyway, I agree that the Bourgogne size principal is generally a good idea, though others have listed the reasons in far greater length than me.

Remuria · Dec 14, 2016

Or maybe Bourgogne is in fact the size of Russia? Imperial Russia. In 1895. Yeah...

Kadikistani Union · Dec 14, 2016

PanOceania said:
If we had a map with no lat-long and no city names it'd be a lot easier to quickly do, just one click, but this way is just an estimate.

Can't you use the blank map for that?

Also don't have photoshop so I will be calling upon your services if your idea gets a shot.

[MENTION=1774]Pelasgia[/MENTION]: Yea I also thought Kadikistan was bigger than 2xFrance :neutral:

Khemia · Dec 14, 2016

Kadikistan said:
Can't you use the blank map for that?

Also don't have powerpoint so I will be calling upon your services if your idea gets a shot.

[MENTION=1774]Pelasgia[/MENTION]: Yea I also thought Kadikistan was bigger than 2xFrance

Haha, wow, I'm going to have to reverse some statements here! Shame, shame! So I did use the blank map just now (I had previously assumed it was a different scale than the political map, but it is not) which made it a lot easier to select big countries at once, and apparently I'd messed up because you have all those city labels and the histogram had an error button caused by so many pixels being selected, and I didn't click it. You are, in fact, huge. Here's the numbers for people who've commented in this thread, in pixels and sq km and also in relationship to your nearest RL nation by size.

[MENTION=26]Bourgogne[/MENTION]: 18,103 pixels = 551,695 sq km = ~30.475 sq km per pixel = 5.52 km per side (Ukraine)
[MENTION=83]Kadikistan[/MENTION]: 130,396 pixels = 3,973,818 sq km (India + Pakistan + Bangladesh)
[MENTION=620]Ashkelon[/MENTION]: 34,573 pixels = 1,053,612 sq km (Colombia/Ethiopia/Bolivia/Mauritania/Egypt)
[MENTION=1774]Pelasgia[/MENTION]: 43,382 pixels = 1,322,066 sq km (Peru/Chad)
[MENTION=16]Engellex[/MENTION]: 12,005 pixels = 365,852 sq km (Japan)
[MENTION=414]Nichtstein[/MENTION]: 6,575 pixels = 200,373 sq km (Belarus)
ME: 11,412 pixels = 347,780 sq km (Germany/metro France - slightly larger than the Philippines)

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(since we have no agreed upon ruling on water territory, look only at the land column)

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(you can compare the two numbers to figure out a pop per sq km for your country if you're basing it off something but isn't the same size as that country)

[MENTION=83]Kadikistan[/MENTION] I apologize - your vodka tastes like regular vodka, it was my mistake and my rant was unjustified, although having an actual way to measure rather than using your finger is obviously better, your eyeballs don't suck <3. Regardless, I'd be happy to lend you my services figuring out distances between places or overlaying fighter range circles on your country or whatever else.

Touzen · Dec 14, 2016

I think it's about time this thread is returned to its real purpose and that potential map requests are not buried under talk about this topic.

Holy Frankish Empire · Dec 14, 2016

PanOceania said:
Haha, wow, I'm going to have to reverse some statements here! Shame, shame! So I did use the blank map just now (I had previously assumed it was a different scale than the political map, but it is not) which made it a lot easier to select big countries at once, and apparently I'd messed up because you have all those city labels and the histogram had an error button caused by so many pixels being selected, and I didn't click it. You are, in fact, huge. Here's the numbers for people who've commented in this thread, in pixels and sq km and also in relationship to your nearest RL nation by size.

[MENTION=26]Bourgogne[/MENTION]: 18,103 pixels = 551,695 sq km = ~30.475 sq km per pixel = 5.52 km per side (Ukraine)
[MENTION=83]Kadikistan[/MENTION]: 130,396 pixels = 3,973,818 sq km (India + Pakistan + Bangladesh)
[MENTION=620]Ashkelon[/MENTION]: 34,573 pixels = 1,053,612 sq km (Colombia/Ethiopia/Bolivia/Mauritania/Egypt)
[MENTION=1774]Pelasgia[/MENTION]: 43,382 pixels = 1,322,066 sq km (Peru/Chad)
[MENTION=16]Engellex[/MENTION]: 12,005 pixels = 365,852 sq km (Japan)
[MENTION=414]Nichtstein[/MENTION]: 6,575 pixels = 200,373 sq km (Belarus)
ME: 11,412 pixels = 347,780 sq km (Germany/metro France - slightly larger than the Philippines)

Some useful links:

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(since we have no agreed upon ruling on water territory, look only at the land column)

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(you can compare the two numbers to figure out a pop per sq km for your country if you're basing it off something but isn't the same size as that country)

[MENTION=83]Kadikistan[/MENTION] I apologize - your vodka tastes like regular vodka, it was my mistake and my rant was unjustified, although having an actual way to measure rather than using your finger is obviously better, your eyeballs don't suck <3. Regardless, I'd be happy to lend you my services figuring out distances between places or overlaying fighter range circles on your country or whatever else.

Kashtan said:
I think it's about time this thread is returned to its real purpose and that potential map requests are not buried under talk about this topic.

Pano, start a thread on Map scale or whatever if you want to discuss this in depth.

Clarenthia · Dec 16, 2016

Would you mind changing the represented cities in Jurzan to:

Alaghan, Sharjah, Cewher, Malakand, and Risalpur

If it gets too crowded, you can just add them in the order they appear before it gets too full.

Map for reference:

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Thanks! And as always, u da best

Rheinbund · Dec 18, 2016

@PanO, could you please calculate my number of pixels as well?

Saaremaa · Dec 18, 2016

Lol, if others are asking, I would do it too. Could you do it for Saaremaa and for Loago too?

Great Engellex · Dec 18, 2016

Kadikistan said:
First off, [MENTION=945]PanOceania[/MENTION] I came up with the Burgundian Principle for the same reasons as you are pointing out. When I asked for a scale consensus it was because I wanted to know certain distances for rp (like the Cross-Kadikistani Railways). In applying the Burgundian Principle I literally just put the map on the screen and used my fingers to see how many Bourgogne's fitted in my map roughly. I am a bit surprised that the real number is so much lower (2 really??). Also has Gallia been sized up in the new update? It seems larger.

No changes of that nature have been made to the map since I took over the map.

Changes made :- Sinking of American continent; complete change to my Gallia-Germania map spot; minor coastline altering; addition of a few islands.

Great Engellex · Dec 18, 2016

Jurzan said:
Would you mind changing the represented cities in Jurzan to:

Alaghan, Sharjah, Cewher, Malakand, and Risalpur

If it gets too crowded, you can just add them in the order they appear before it gets too full.

Map for reference:

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Thanks! And as always, u da best

I shall see what I can do, but yeah, as said, what fits etc.

Great Engellex · Dec 18, 2016

PanOceania said:
Haha, wow, I'm going to have to reverse some statements here! Shame, shame! So I did use the blank map just now (I had previously assumed it was a different scale than the political map, but it is not) which made it a lot easier to select big countries at once, and apparently I'd messed up because you have all those city labels and the histogram had an error button caused by so many pixels being selected, and I didn't click it. You are, in fact, huge. Here's the numbers for people who've commented in this thread, in pixels and sq km and also in relationship to your nearest RL nation by size.

[MENTION=26]Bourgogne[/MENTION]: 18,103 pixels = 551,695 sq km = ~30.475 sq km per pixel = 5.52 km per side (Ukraine)
[MENTION=83]Kadikistan[/MENTION]: 130,396 pixels = 3,973,818 sq km (India + Pakistan + Bangladesh)
[MENTION=620]Ashkelon[/MENTION]: 34,573 pixels = 1,053,612 sq km (Colombia/Ethiopia/Bolivia/Mauritania/Egypt)
[MENTION=1774]Pelasgia[/MENTION]: 43,382 pixels = 1,322,066 sq km (Peru/Chad)
[MENTION=16]Engellex[/MENTION]: 12,005 pixels = 365,852 sq km (Japan)
[MENTION=414]Nichtstein[/MENTION]: 6,575 pixels = 200,373 sq km (Belarus)
ME: 11,412 pixels = 347,780 sq km (Germany/metro France - slightly larger than the Philippines)

Some useful links:

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(since we have no agreed upon ruling on water territory, look only at the land column)

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(you can compare the two numbers to figure out a pop per sq km for your country if you're basing it off something but isn't the same size as that country)

This is quite interesting, and strange that it never occurred for me to use that tool when the Bourgogne Principal was being lightly discussed.

Anyway, you should open a separate thread for this as has been said. I would myself, but I would rather take a more casual input into this and just implement whatever, if anything, is agreed upon.

Great Engellex · Dec 20, 2016

I am keeping an eye on this thread, so that requests aren't running too late. Trying to put some RP out there, given the time I've got. Don't lose hope.

Brachauland · Dec 20, 2016

Are there any nations on this map that are inactive besides the ones already listed?

Also, how large would you make a nation of about 1-1.5 million inhabitants? I'm thinking about taking a portion of inactive Lovisa because it is in the proximity to several German-speaking states and to Bourgogne, which I remember is a French-speaking nation back years ago when I still was in this region on another now forgotten nation.

Holy Frankish Empire · Dec 20, 2016

Brachauland said:
Are there any nations on this map that are inactive besides the ones already listed?

Also, how large would you make a nation of about 1-1.5 million inhabitants? I'm thinking about taking a portion of inactive Lovisa because it is in the proximity to several German-speaking states and to Bourgogne, which I remember is a French-speaking nation back years ago when I still was in this region on another now forgotten nation.

Either everyone is active or is on a leave of absence as far as I know. Bourgogne is French speaking but also has a German speaking region. I cannot remember but I believe [MENTION=168]Lovisa[/MENTION] was on a leave of absence and not necessary inactive. I could be wrong.
1-1.5 Million would be small. Think Malta+Luxembourg or Estonia. To be honest, we need smaller countries like that.

Polesia · Dec 20, 2016

Could I be renamed Trivodnia on the map? Think it'd be easiest for everyone

Pelasgia · Dec 21, 2016

Bourgogne said:
Either everyone is active or is on a leave of absence as far as I know. Bourgogne is French speaking but also has a German speaking region. I cannot remember but I believe @
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was on a leave of absence and not necessary inactive. I could be wrong.
1-1.5 Million would be small. Think Malta+Luxembourg or Estonia. To be honest, we need smaller countries like that.

Is SWR on leave or not? :think:

Did he say when he'll be back? (Yes, I am obsessed with that RP, OK?)

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