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Official Map Thread Two - Red Barrier

Vrijpoort

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Sorry about that I didn't know actually this mean been helpful with shared history, fancy being invaded me in the 80s? Don't worry I lose and could get bit of money out of it.
No worries! Happy to have a neighbour! Yeah, let's discuss a shared history with @Jyskerige-Østveg as well!
 

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The southern archipelago will be integrated into active roleplay soon (so far it has only been briefly mentioned here and there), so here's the location of its provincial capital.

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Small question. Why do you place Südinsel on the northernmost island? Given the city's name, I think it would be better to place it on the southernmost island.
 

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Here is a basic drawing of some changes to the region. The goal is to push the borders up to Engellachia in order to better put together some RP history, and RP futures with those feisty Engellachians. We’ve spoken about it and agreed that it’s a good idea to have a border. I felt the best way to tackle this was to have a nice northern Norwegian style boundary with a “fat” Finnmark at the top if you are looking for RL comparison.

I think the description is pretty easy to read but I’ll put it in text just in case. I decided to add another tiny city called Skagen up there. Please add the two regions to Pohjanmaa. Delete the southern red block. It can be part of whatever new player wishes to settle next to me.

Thanks so much for your work and effort! We hope to put this new border to good use.

I'm not inclined toward these requests, excepting one - deleting the southern red block.

We once had quite strict rules on the limitations of second nations, everyone but Justosia is likely familiar with what they were. I don't advocate returning to those restrictions, of course it was myself that agreed in your placing Pohjanmaa bordering the Two Kingdoms. I feel that overall the community is mature enough in its nature to self-regulate quite well in these areas, that we can be more relaxed with second nations, but at the same time we need to be sensitive to the original issues that called for rules on second nations.

I feel the considered interchangeability of territory here, between Pohjanmaa and Two Kingdoms, is not appropriate. It could allow for assumptions on the two concepts, their difference, and the ability to carry those differences in the RP of both. We need to remember that, even with the great progress seen in quality of writing and world building, this is still considered in the most part a game, and we need to be weary of unfair advantages.

I do believe second nations have recently worked really well, and do not intend to take any away from that.

The extending of the Two Kingdoms to the present Engellachia border, and occupying of the vacant spot, too feels a step in the wrong direction. It and Pohjanmaa already share a direct border, and have the immediate region divided between them. Possible interests of Engellachia (as part of my own ideas for the spot, admittedly) or a future player shouldn't be secondary priorities given the issues raised.

The southern red block will be deleted.
 

Jydsken-Østveg

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Understandable and fair. To be honest, the interchange of territory was purely for aesthetics, and my own attempt there after for fairness, as if I removed parts of Pohjanmaa, surely some part should be given in exchange.

With your reasoning, I’d agree that nothing should changed other than the southern red block. I thought it looked nice once upon a time, but as time has moved on I do find it awfully ugly and not beneficial to RP or aesthetics... as you’ll note that yes, aesthetics are something I very much consider in territorial boundaries ;)
 

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POSSIBLE Greening list :-

Merioneth (last IC post April 2019 - last OOC post April 2019)
Geotri (last IC post October 2018 - last OOC post February 2019)
Bergenheim (last IC post December 2018 - last OOC post December 2018)

Status on Occitania (West or East)? and Brecosta?
 

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Understandable and fair. To be honest, the interchange of territory was purely for aesthetics, and my own attempt there after for fairness, as if I removed parts of Pohjanmaa, surely some part should be given in exchange.

With your reasoning, I’d agree that nothing should changed other than the southern red block. I thought it looked nice once upon a time, but as time has moved on I do find it awfully ugly and not beneficial to RP or aesthetics... as you’ll note that yes, aesthetics are something I very much consider in territorial boundaries ;)

Would it help, or allow any of these notions to be salvaged and carried out in an above-board fashion if I put that hypothetical Norse-inspired nation down? I do have some other ideas for secondary nations, but honestly the most important of those can just be handled as a Cussian overseas dependency (that I actively roleplay seizing/taking)...so...just a thought/offer, if it would help.
 

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Small question. Why do you place Südinsel on the northernmost island? Given the city's name, I think it would be better to place it on the southernmost island.

It is the "Autonome Provinz Sudinsel", or Autonomous Province of South Island, but "South Island", is also the name of the entire archipelago. When Ostmarkian settlers landed on the archipelago, they probably settled down near the landing zone and established a small fishing/trade village before venturing further south, and since the first island discovered is located south of Ostmark (much like Columbus who discovered Hispaniola and he thought that was it), they named the new settlement "Sudinsel".
 

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Location : The archipelago right off the northeastern coast of the unoccupied mass neighboring me.

Name of Colony :
Mártires Reinado (Martyr's Reign Islands).

Name of Colonial Capital : Sevillanas.

Name of Primary Country : Justosia.

Established History : A while ago I alluded to the reason Justosia went into isolation being the then king sealing it off from Tiburan Catholicism. These islands will bear the fleshed out reason why. Justosia had 2 civil wars. This one consisted of one massive naval battle between 2 great noble houses for obvious reasons. Wiki coming soon.

I'll put this on hold until you return.
 

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The "Visislava" land sale will be finalized before the next map update. This will transfer a parcel of Gunnland bordering Crotobaltislavonia to Elben. Can new border-line be a straight line formed by the diagonal between Chagny and Eschenbach, with that Gunnish territory being ceded to Elben? It should look rather unnatural, I think, like we just chopped off a slavic hinterland on a straight line.
 

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The "Visislava" land sale will be finalized before the next map update. This will transfer a parcel of Gunnland bordering Crotobaltislavonia to Elben. Can new border-line be a straight line formed by the diagonal between Chagny and Eschenbach, with that Gunnish territory being ceded to Elben? It should look rather unnatural, I think, like we just chopped off a slavic hinterland on a straight line.

Imagining these regional or municipal borders are not straight lines either due to natural features, the land sale will not include straight lines either...
 

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Will do an alliance map shortly.

Thanks for the update! The small island to the east of Vrijpoort was included in my original request. It seems to be part of Strathclyde, however. Was it just an oversight? I wanted that island to be Nedernesia's outpost for overlooking the nearby straits and it probably will have a history of going back and forth between the nearby countries during historical wars, etc. I'm happy to split the island (like how St. Maarten is split between the French and Dutch). Actually, that would make for some fun RP and interesting history.
 

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Thanks for the update! The small island to the east of Vrijpoort was included in my original request. It seems to be part of Strathclyde, however. Was it just an oversight? I wanted that island to be Nedernesia's outpost for overlooking the nearby straits and it probably will have a history of going back and forth between the nearby countries during historical wars, etc. I'm happy to split the island (like how St. Maarten is split between the French and Dutch). Actually, that would make for some fun RP and interesting history.

An oversight. Not especially sure how, though. Updating the map can be quite tedious, so I might put it down to that.

 
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Vrijpoort

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An oversight. Not especially sure how, though. Updating the map can be quite tedious, so I might put it down to that.

No worries! Thanks also for the border line on my northernmost island, which will help make that distinct. I wouldn't want your job and I'm glad we have our map in very capable hands :D
 
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