Official Map Thread Two - Red Barrier

Kadikistani Union · Aug 25, 2019

Zhola said:
I don't understand what's silly about that.

Edit: Would this be better in your opinion?
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I would like to submit this as my final application if there are no conflicting claims.

The nation name will be Loucerne. Amaranthe is the capital.

You're original claim is fine dude. Nice to have a neighbour!
I was merely criticising the adding of those islands right up my coast, they weren't there before.
As a nation that spend a lot of time 'securing periphery' this just causes me headaches.

Zhola · Aug 25, 2019

Oh, lol. I was confused by your usage of the image I used to show my map claim and thought you were referring to why my claim stopepd short of claiming those islands.

Great Engellex · Aug 25, 2019

Kadikistani Union said:
You're original claim is fine dude. Nice to have a neighbour!
I was merely criticising the adding of those islands right up my coast, they weren't there before.
As a nation that spend a lot of time 'securing periphery' this just causes me headaches.

Changes / Additions were made much previously as to accommodate Beau and Zeek's previous RP and nation concept in that immediate area.

Just request what it is to be deleted. It isn't that deep.

Zhola · Aug 25, 2019

Sorry for my constant flip-floping, but since I honestly misinterpreted Kadikistani's post here is a new claim.

Again, sorry.

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Capital is the gren square, Amaranthe. Country is Loucerne.

Touzen · Aug 26, 2019

Mh, to be honest I’m not that sure about Gallians in Touyou... :owl2:

As said that part of the world is also getting a complete geographic makeover, though that’s obviously something you couldn’t be aware of. I’ll try to drop a rough sketch of the political entities in the area as they would be on the current map to give an idea and assist with map choices.

Zhola · Aug 26, 2019

Well, that's unfortunate, but I don't think I want to look for a map claim again... I wouldn't think that the islands I picked would be that far that early colonisation wouldn't have been possible.

Touzen · Aug 26, 2019

It’s mostly got to do with the history of the Eternal Empire that dominated the area and waged several religious wars against Christians up till the outskirts of Germania - quick forum search should bring you some results but I’ll be happy to answer other questions you might have.

Jydsken-Østveg · Aug 26, 2019

Zhola said:
Well, that's unfortunate, but I don't think I want to look for a map claim again... I wouldn't think that the islands I picked would be that far that early colonisation wouldn't have been possible.

Basically, you’re trying to put Europeans in Asia... and this makes for awkward pre-established histories. Our RP world doesn’t entirely mimic RL with European colonialism rampant all over the world. There was another player (Nedernesië) who wanted to do what you are asking for, and that wasn’t seen kindly either, so he took his concept and moved to the European region, and it wouldn’t be very fair to him to allow your concept. @Nedernesië

By keeping this strict, we don’t start running down the slippery slope of what kinds of European nations are allowed in Asia (Touyou)? Touyou is for Asian nations, and if you want to play as one, great. If not, there are other regions for other kinds of themes. The Far West for example is open to anything with no limitations.

So the location you are choosing would face less opposition if you made the ethnic make up not-European and instead something Asian. If you wanted to RP a European nation there is open space in the European area, and I think that makes the reason to put a European-themed nation in Asia all the more difficult to swallow.

Zhola · Aug 26, 2019

Well my idea was to basically have my people be ethnically somewhere eastern mediterranean, like turkish, or iranian where european influence would be less prevalent, but due to the assimilation from the european like settlers the population would be culturally european, whatever that could mean.

If that's such a contentious issue I can make the country be more asiatic, more iranian in character, I dunno, if changing the few historical bits that refer to gallo-germanian is all it takes. I just didn't want to run into the issue of becoming a parody of what I'm inspiring myself of, But my idea had always been to be some form of venice thing ( first arabic, then indigenous and finally some portuguese thing ).

Zhola · Aug 27, 2019

Can I be told what exactly is fine to claim in Toyou though?

Socialist Commonwealth · Aug 27, 2019

Xen just needs to stop gatekeeping Toyou. I'd argue any claim you make now could easily be integrated into the changes to be made to Toyou.

Pelasgia · Aug 28, 2019

Zhola said:
Well my idea was to basically have my people be ethnically somewhere eastern mediterranean, like turkish, or iranian where european influence would be less prevalent, but due to the assimilation from the european like settlers the population would be culturally european, whatever that could mean.

If that's such a contentious issue I can make the country be more asiatic, more iranian in character, I dunno, if changing the few historical bits that refer to gallo-germanian is all it takes. I just didn't want to run into the issue of becoming a parody of what I'm inspiring myself of, But my idea had always been to be some form of venice thing ( first arabic, then indigenous and finally some portuguese thing ).

I believe that a Turkish-Iranian-Middle Eastern type of nation of quite some size and importance used to exist in that area when I first played Pelasgia 1.0. It was Sikandara, if I am not mistaken. So there's definitely room for another nation like that. The Gallo-Germanian influences are more tricky, though you could try a Westernisation a la Turque (see Kemal's Reforms) along with some population influx of Gallo-Germanian settlers. Kadikistan is nearby and is a Germanian nation, so he could have acted as a conduit for this.

Kadikistani Union · Aug 28, 2019

Engellex said:
Changes / Additions were made much previously as to accommodate Beau and Zeek's previous RP and nation concept in that immediate area.

Just request what it is to be deleted. It isn't that deep.

I thought I did. For clarity yea the islands indicated in my previously posted map, especially those encircled.

Saxe-Friesken and Polaben · Aug 30, 2019

A map application for Petites-Pays. The capital is in Louisiane. Anvers is a big city marker, as well as Orléans-sur-Mer. The rest are small markers.

The colonial map has Louisville, Sainte-Marie, Saint-Louis, and Esperance as capitals.

Background is ever developing and available on the background thread.

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Zhola · Aug 30, 2019

Posting here again to clarify the latest, and hopefully final, changes to my map claim, after having talked with Touzen and planning stuff on the worldbuilding thread. Amaranthe is a a big city, Pazargade the capital.

Granted Touzen wants to change this part of the map this should still be my rough claim in anything they come up with, I guess?

Ignore the fact that the island to the south was erased or the green internal subdivisions.

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Touzen · Aug 30, 2019

Hello,

Please map the Anti-State:
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I will update this post with new versions of the map up until the update to add new cities and such. Also I wouldn't be opposed to you changing to the cross shaped island in the Touzen island chain to something that looks a bit more natural, so please feel free to be creative.

Also, a while back my islands in the Implarian seem to have disappeared, so please put them back if you would. Take this older map for reference:

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Also please add Aresura to the map:

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This is just a placeholder for the RP I had discussed with Ovi and Pelasgia about an Anti-PD Touzenese remnant in Himyar:

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Finally, this would be for the former EE province in Westernesse I had discussed with Beau, if the players in the region are still willing to accommodate it. But this is more hypothetical since it might conflict with what Revy has in mind.

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Pelasgia · Aug 31, 2019

Touzen said:
This is just a placeholder for the RP I had discussed with Ovi and Pelasgia about an Anti-PD Touzenese remnant in Himyar:

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Me and @Beautancus were planning an RP there, but we can move it elsewhere if you want to go there (instead of just having another NPC). Of course, that's provided there would be enough activity to justify so many landmasses in addition to your current owning half of Toyou (figuratively speaking), in each of the newly claimed areas. If the activity is there, I'd love it for there to be more active players in Himyar and for Pelasgia to get a real neighbour (as opposed to just another colony someone put on the map and then never touched again for pixel ego).

Touzen · Aug 31, 2019

If you have since had a new plan with Beau there, I’m not pursuing it.

Imimoya · Aug 31, 2019

Location : Marsilia (Ex Occitania)
Name of Colony : Marsilia Governorate / Special Statute Region of Marsilia of the Grand Duchy of Lars
Name of Colonial Capital : Marsilia
Name of Primary Country : Grand Duchy of Lars
Established History :
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Tarusa · Sep 1, 2019

I was working on Rp'ing settlement of the larger Islands off to the east of myself via newsposts and what was going to be future development of them but could potentially move it to the smaller ones to the south of Aresura if needed to be Touzan.

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