Organisation of Democratic States

Unionsstaat Eiffelland-Retalien — Stato Unionale Eiffellandia-Retalia — État Unional Eiffellande-Rétalie,
Eiffelland-Retalia 2020-01-21
Communication reserved to ODS members

Honorable colleagues,

We are continuously monitoring the developments in Justosia, and also we consider an observership for that country an extra support for the country to develop into a constitutional monarchy. Therefore, we vote AYE to granting an observership to Justosia.

Also in the case of Pelasgia, we vote AYE. We have very close relations with the Empire, and also Pelasgia is developing towards a constitutional monarchy. Furthermore, given the fact that both Pelasgia and the ODS depend on safety and stability in the Claret Sea, a direct communication line with the Pelasgian Empire will benefit us all and will help establishing safety and stability in the Claret Sea.

For the proposal by the government of Furlanie, I must say that they offer us quite a lot. These are our thoughts:

Furlanìe said:

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe becomes an observer member.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe and the Common Market members will lower tariffs between each other.

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We can agree with these two bullet points.

Furlanìe said:

• The ODS members and the Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will remain different entities, but, with the assent of both parties, case-by-case, through the means offered by the organisation, intelligence share will be permitted.

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When sharing intelligence is needed to handle a threat to both Furlanie and the ODS, we will share intelligence, but Eiffelland-Retalia has an issue with formalising contacts between the secret services of Furlanie and the ODS. We cannot agree with this.

Furlanìe said:

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will support financially the ODS as a full member.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will join the ODS in a defensive conflict if an armed attack is carried against the sovereign territory of a member state, but only with a positive vote of the Parliament.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe won't require ODS members to join in if an armed attack is carried against Friulian soil, but ODS members will be required not to support a possible aggressive actor.

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We have the impression that Furlanie is really eager to associate itself with the ODS.
We consider it morally wrong to accept payments from Furlanie as if it were a full member while it is not.
Directly upporting an aggressive actor against one of our observers would damage us on the long run, but what if we delivered weapons at a certain moment in the past to a country that suddenly turns into an aggressive actor against Furlanie? Can the bullet point "The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe won't require ODS members to join in if an armed attack is carried against Friulian soil, but ODS members will be required not to support a possible aggressive actor" be used against us?
Of course it is beneficial if Furlanie helps us out in a defensive conflict, and helping out Furlanie when it is under attack may be needed and morally justifiable, but we don't think that we should have formal ties with the Furlanian armed forces.

January 25, 2020
6:35 PM Justosian Time

Upon formal granting of observer status, the Continental Empire of Justosia issues intent to pursue full admittance into this esteemed organization. Whenever the founding member states might deem that prudent. I am the newly appointed ODS Ambassador Ignacio Sauzo. Thank you.
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OOC: I will avoid @Justosia your latest messages, which are the result of metagame. Pay attention to the message header, if it is reserved for ODS members only, it is only for ODS members.

Granducato di Lars, Lars 26012020
Public communication on behalf of the ODS Public Relations Office.
Honorable representatives of the Continental Empire of Justosia and the ,
Following the formalrequest to join our organization as an observer member, we must inform you that your request has been accepted, now, as an observer member of the ODS, you can participate in the diplomatic debate. As an observer member, however, you dont have the right to vote and to propose, which belongs exclusively to the full members of the alliance. However, nothing prevents you from asking a member to place an agenda on your behalf.
Honorable representatives of the Grand Duchy of Furlanìe,
Following the formalrequest to join our organization as an observer member, we must inform you that your request has been suspended. ODS members did not reach unanimity on the requests proposed by the Grand Duchy. All ODS members agree on the first two points of Furlanìe's proposal. If the Grand Duchy agrees to limit his request to the following two points, the vote will be released and automatically considered "accepted". But if Furlanìe disagrees and submits a new proposal to the ODS, this commission will have to submit the new one again to the vote.

However, it is the concern of this office to inform you that the Organization of Democratic States remains always available for dialogue.

United, despite the Distance.

Grand Duchy of Lars.

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I thank the members for the time and effort spent examining our proposition, if we were here for the sole objective of economic gain, accepting to enter the organisation with the sole two points agreed by all members would be in our interest, but since what we hope to achieve is strengthening our ties and cooperation with the ODS members in spite of our differences, and prove the reliability of Furlanìe both as a strategic and economic partner, we would like to procede further with the negotiations.

We have re-elaborated our proposition, we hope to receive a more accurate stance on the single points so that we will be able to reach a common ground.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe becomes an observer member.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe and the Common Market members will lower tariffs between each other.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will support financially the ODS, the ODS members will decide the figure, that won't, however, be superior to the amount required from a full member.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will join the ODS in a defensive conflict if an armed attack is carried against the sovereign territory of a member state, but only with a positive vote of the Friulian Parliament, and under the guidelines given by the member in need.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe and the ODS members will sign a non-aggression treaty.
• The ODS members won't be required to join the Grand Duchy of Furlanìe in case of an aggression on its territory, but will cease any military support or direct governmental economic support to the aggressor.

If need be, a meeting to discuss thoroughly these points has the green light from the Government.

Incargât dal Forest
Minister of Foreign Affairs
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Lars said:

OOC: I will avoid @Justosia your latest messages, which are the result of metagame. Pay attention to the message header, if it is reserved for ODS members only, it is only for ODS members.

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Ooc: I literally have no idea what that meant. What's meta game? I was only applying for observer status.

OOC: He means like the headline you'll see in my post below, was/is essentially secret between just ODS members until member is accepted, and then upon being accepted if they are accepted they would know of the conversation as it would essentially be like reading notes from a meeting you hadn't attended but were allowed to read.

IC:


Communication Reserved to ODS Members


We would like to open the discussion amongst our fellow allies in regards to the defense agreement we have agreed upon as members.

Given our great distance between the Confederate States and our allies along the Reman Sea, the direct border shared between the Grand Duchy & Kingdom of Eiffelland with multiple communist nations of the Rurikgrad pact and the recent historical context of the Seven Days war still fresh which saw the influence of the Communist regimes grow exponentially, we would like to discuss military options to help strengthen the capability for a stronger response on our end in the event of hostilities ever resuming or a new threat potentially popping up in the neighborhood.

These proposals comes directly to me as the representative to this body from our chain of command at the Ministry of War as they have begun the process of analyzing some of the best ways to begin increasing interoperability between our command structures, logistical departments, and combat forces.

1. A joint command facility with staff represented by each of our nations, the staff will of course grow as more nations become full members in the future.
2. Joint military exercises of varying parts of the armed forces of varying scale annually.

In addition to this the Confederate States would also ask to establish a depot within the Grand Duchy and the Kingdom of Eiffelland where we will have munitions, vehicles, and equipment stocks. If it would be agreed to as well the Confederate States would as well like to forward deploy up to a Battalion in The Grand Duchy and a Squadron of Fighters in Eiffelland for the reasons we stated earlier in this discussion. These units will be annually rotated and others will take their place.

Granducato di Lars, Lars 26012020
Communication reserved to ODS members
Honorable colleagues,
Following the response obtained by the Grand Duchy of Furlanìe, which has presented a further version of its proposal, you are again called to express yourself on the matter. For bureaucratic reasons, this vote will be considered linked to the previous one, therefore, the Grand Duchy of Lars does not vary his vote very much, only agreeing with the first two points.

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Ministry of Foreign Affairs
To the ODS headquarters​

I thank the members for the time and effort spent examining our proposition, if we were here for the sole objective of economic gain, accepting to enter the organisation with the sole two points agreed by all members would be in our interest, but since what we hope to achieve is strengthening our ties and cooperation with the ODS members in spite of our differences, and prove the reliability of Furlanìe both as a strategic and economic partner, we would like to procede further with the negotiations.

We have re-elaborated our proposition, we hope to receive a more accurate stance on the single points so that we will be able to reach a common ground.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe becomes an observer member.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe and the Common Market members will lower tariffs between each other.

• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will support financially the ODS, the ODS members will decide the figure, that won't, however, be superior to the amount required from a full member.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe will join the ODS in a defensive conflict if an armed attack is carried against the sovereign territory of a member state, but only with a positive vote of the Friulian Parliament, and under the guidelines given by the member in need.
• The Grand Duchy of Furlanìe and the ODS members will sign a non-aggression treaty.
• The ODS members won't be required to join the Grand Duchy of Furlanìe in case of an aggression on its territory, but will cease any military support or direct governmental economic support to the aggressor.

If need be, a meeting to discuss thoroughly these points has the green light from the Government.

Incargât dal Forest
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Jacum Sordèl​

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@Johnston Isle @Eiffelland

Johnston Isle said:

OOC: He means like the headline you'll see in my post below, was/is essentially secret between just ODS members until member is accepted, and then upon being accepted if they are accepted they would know of the conversation as it would essentially be like reading notes from a meeting you hadn't attended but were allowed to read.

IC:


Communication Reserved to ODS Members


We would like to open the discussion amongst our fellow allies in regards to the defense agreement we have agreed upon as members.

Given our great distance between the Confederate States and our allies along the Reman Sea, the direct border shared between the Grand Duchy & Kingdom of Eiffelland with multiple communist nations of the Rurikgrad pact and the recent historical context of the Seven Days war still fresh which saw the influence of the Communist regimes grow exponentially, we would like to discuss military options to help strengthen the capability for a stronger response on our end in the event of hostilities ever resuming or a new threat potentially popping up in the neighborhood.

These proposals comes directly to me as the representative to this body from our chain of command at the Ministry of War as they have begun the process of analyzing some of the best ways to begin increasing interoperability between our command structures, logistical departments, and combat forces.

1. A joint command facility with staff represented by each of our nations, the staff will of course grow as more nations become full members in the future.
2. Joint military exercises of varying parts of the armed forces of varying scale annually.

In addition to this the Confederate States would also ask to establish a depot within the Grand Duchy and the Kingdom of Eiffelland where we will have munitions, vehicles, and equipment stocks. If it would be agreed to as well the Confederate States would as well like to forward deploy up to a Battalion in The Grand Duchy and a Squadron of Fighters in Eiffelland for the reasons we stated earlier in this discussion. These units will be annually rotated and others will take their place.

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The Grand Duchy of Lars, in compliance with the article on Mutual Defense and the subsequent, Formation of ODS Rapid Reaction Force, does not oppose the proposal of the Confederate States. Therefore, in the appropriate seats, we will propose the area where to build these military structures.

Unionsstaat Eiffelland-Retalien — Stato Unionale Eiffellandia-Retalia — État Unional Eiffellande-Rétalie,
Eiffelland-Retalia 2020-01-21
Communication reserved to ODS members

Honorable colleagues,

We vote for the adapted proposal of Furlanie, with the remark that we think it would benefit Furlanie on the long run if its disputes with Auraria are reconciled.

We also agree with the Confederate States that a joint command facility should be established. The headquarters of the ODS will be located in Tibur; we suggest to locate the joint command facility in or in the neighbourhood of Tibur as well.

Of course we agree withjoint exercises.

We also agree with establishing depots to store ammunition, vehicles spare parts etc. for the Confederate States's armed forces in Eiffelland-Retalia. Of course we understand the need for the presence of a batallion from the Confederate States's army. We would like to establish a depot in Lars as well, and also such a depot in the Confederate States. One question: How much equipment should we store in the respective depots? For about 10,000 soldiers, for 30,000 soldiers, or for a complete army?
Furthermore, is it an idea to station Eiffelloretalian troops in Lars? If yes, how many?

Communication Reserved to ODS Members


We plan to position the equipment for a full Brigade in the Grand Duchy and likewise the Kingdom of Eiffelland aswell as munitions to keep the brigades combat effective for thirty days. While the size of our forces we plan to have stationed on the continent will be significantly lower at Battalion strength but with enough equipment and munitions for a surge strength of two brigades in the event of a crisis.

(OOC: Merely joining the debate as rules allow. If I misconstrued something please let me know thanks.)

Ambassador Sauzo stood up to address the body.

"Members. If I may?"

He awaited a consensus minding Justosia's status as an observer.

Communication Reserved to ODS Members
The representative of the Continental Empire of Justosia, here as an Observer member, now has the right to speak.
OOC; You can speak freely, without the need for me to give you free speech every time.

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The representative of Justosia has a point that we should have a focus on soft power. On the other hand, I don't think that the ODS should focus on soft power alone. I think we need to do both: Establishing our soft power and making sure that we can defend ourselves.

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Soft power is an interesting policy, but it should be used with caution, because it could lead to the presumption that our cultural model of values and political choices is better than others. Projecting ourselves into a colonialist 2.0 system, from which it would be difficult to dissuade people.

We must be builders of bridges between worlds and cultural realities that are unfamiliar to us, without being overwhelmed by them. Create a debate that is knowledgeable and constructive, without ever imposing ourselves with our economic and political strength, always protecting the most fragile realities.

Nation security is a very different matter. Our concern is to guarantee citizens safety and protection. The defense of the ODS borders cannot be overlooked, without however exceeding in a counterproductive arms race for all parties involved.

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The official policy of the Confederate States is always evolving with the evolving politics of the world. However one policy that we have carried for decades is not to make waves until necessary, diplomatic maneuver before military ones. Our Officer Corps however takes note of the Seven Day war and the disaster it was for the Trier Accord states that resulted in the loss of freedoms for countless millions and it is not something Germania can ill afford a second coming of. To the Socialist bloc they will of course paint our movements and our philosophy for the rights of man as hostile towards their regimes, they will spew propaganda to the oppressed populations, but at the end of the day it will be up to the world to make their own judgements.

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We totally agree with the assessments from our colleagues from the Johnston Isle and Lars. We must be prepared for the case of cases, and we can't fully trust the Rurikgrad Pact and Serenierre.
We will set up a depot for a typical brigade of the Eiffelloretalian army (consisting of roughly 10,000 soldiers) in the Johnston Isle. Furthermore, we request permission for stationing an annually rotating batallion infantry on the Johnston Isle to guard and maintain the depot, as well as a squadron of fighters.

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In regards to the Furlanie inquiries we still would not feel it proper to have it supporting ODS facilities and operations without it becoming a full fledged member. While we do also understand that Furlanie would join in a defensive conflict if one of us were attacked, as it would obviously be the same for any of our nations that the democratic process must be honored, it is expected that those responsible would understand the honor of commitment that either they or their predecessors in office had voted in place and to uphold said commitments, the way it makes it sound is as if it could be questionable if they would arrive to the aid of a fellow member in the event of a conflict as they would not be a full member.

We would agree to assurance of non-aggression with Furlanie. We also would when or if the time ever comes to choose a side in a conflict Furlanie was subjected to or started in the interest of self preservation take a discussion and come to an agreement and take judgement on whichever parties we would find to be clearly acting in the best interest of what our nations stand for.

In stating such, we would vote in favor still of Furlanie being granted observer status. We also would like to see it reconcile with Auraria given their history, but we could potentially see Furlanie if an agreement can be reached to become a member of the Common Market.