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"The Continental Empire of Justosia of course enshrines in the Imperial Constitution, as it is called after being revised, the sacrosanct rights of freedom of speech. Freedom of press. Freedom of religion. Freedom of assembly. Also, of course, the right to keep and bare arms.

Before, or if I need to elaborate further, esteemed representaruves, I should like to clarify something for general organization and international record here. Justosia, in all its past and present forms has been a Constitutional Monarchy since eighteen fifty. When the then Senate de Nationale was founded. It was advocated for and christened by His Royal Majesty King Ferdinand Francisco the Second.

Our sovereign's predecessor, her husband, the first Emperador, was truly the one who started Justosia down its present path. When he ascended the legalization of both Catholicism and same sex civil unions.

Ambassador Sauzo didn't know the first Emperor the way Foreign Minister Montez did. Montez didn't know him as well as former Foreign Minister Torres did. However he too was tired of his unwarranted, ill repute. All because he wanted to rebuild the military out of love for country. His sacrifices known by so few. He continued speaking.

Any citizen of the empire is always presumed innocent until found guilty. They have a right to a legal defender. Those convicted of a crime and who undergo rehabilitation in incarceration maintain basic rights of freedom of expression, speech, religion. The prison system is subject to regular inspection by Interior Ministry Justice Department Agents. This insures basic standards of sanitation, cleanliness, hygiene, and order.

To harken to your last issue, citizens of the empire have legal defenses against any potential government overreach. As laughable as that would be. We love our countrymen and women. Also, again, the right to bare arms. The right to buy and sell land. The right to be read their basic constitutional rights when placed under arrest. Representatives, I have obliged you greatly. Need I say more? "
 

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I thank Ambassador Sauzo for his honest answers to all of our questions so that we could make a more informed decision. It is with this information at hand that I will be casting my vote and the explanation behind our reasoning.

The Confederate States votes against the Continental Empire of Justosia ascending to the status of Full member of the alliance.

While we commend the freedoms and rights of individuals within the Continental Empire as adhering to the ideals of this alliance, and the changes taking place within the government institutions of the Continental Empire, we cannot in good consciousness give an accepting vote as government practices and powers are not at the levels we would call fully democratic. Too much power still resides within the hands on the monarch whom is not elected, as an example she still appoints the judicial branch of the government and the legislature only has the power of review/investigation of the appointments and sacking them with majority vote, as well as the power of veto which requires 2/3 majority of the legislature to override. While the presence of the beginnings of a fully democratic state with separation of powers are present in the Continental Empire, there is still vast rooms of improvement to be made in the area of separation of powers.
 

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A negative vote was fine with Ambassador Sauzo. He had assumed there would be one. The ignorance however, wasn't.

"It would seem, curiously, that the representative of the Johnstonian government, perhaps, isn't a man of the world? Forgive my frankness, but you don't seem, in your narrow & frankly sheltered view of democracy, to know how other constitutional governments, particularly the Constitutional Monarchy brand, work.

Our sovereign's ability to select and appoint High Judges to the Capital Court, and relevant ministers, is not at all different from a president or prime minister doing such. As I'm sure you know. That's a standard lever of power for a head of state. Elected or Constitutional Monarch. No, representative, that's not it. I don't at all want to call you a liar, but there is clearly another motivation in your thought process. One you chose to keep there.

This might come as utterly shocking to some of you, particularly you representative, but a monarch can be constitutionally bound, checked by other levers of government, beholden to aforementioned checks on their power, and NOT totally, dare I say, disrespectfully neutered. Paraded. Tossed in a closet per se when whatever ceremony may be over. No. Our Constitutional Monarch does indeed maintain her respected, hallowed, constitutional authority. The reforms that have exponentially grew in our homeland recently OWE themselves to that, in part.

I believe there is some odious stigma permeating this decision process. I find it both unfair, & sad. I assumed we would garner at least one no vote. Well, representative, I cast my vote against what I don't wish to call your ignorance.....but can't presently find a kinder word. I yield. I hope, we pray, that this organisation, noble as its intentions are, does not make the same mistake Trier did...."
 
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Since the Federal Kingdom of Etruria was undecided whether to vote in favor or not of the accession of the Continental Kingdom of Justosia, we decided to be patient and observe the intervention of the honorable colleague ambassador. If at the beginning we liked the precision and completeness of the answers to our colleague from Johnston Isle, we remained as blamed by your last speech, at the limit of the decorum due to this Chamber. As much as we recognize the enormous efforts made by your country to harmonize with the ODS and democratic progress, we are forced to share Johnston Isle's vision in order to reiterate that this Chamber cannot risk being influenced by strong factions within a full member.

At present, the Federal Etruria Kingdom expresses its negative vote. We hope that the Justosia Empire can look to this day with the prospect of further improvement.
 

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"Make no mistake representative, we are in strong agreement. We look to every day with not the prospect, but the reality of continued improvement, prosperity, and glory. We had hoped to share the aforementioned with you. We were foolish to trust you. This is what the far right party back home says. The only thing you've done today is embolden and vindicate them. I, Foreign Minister Montez, and the one who you subtly tried to vilify here, Her Imperial Majesty Annabella Sofia Francisco the First, were the ones resisting the aforementioned. We were trying to keep that dyke plugged.

It is your prerogative to elect to make the same mistake as your predecessor organisation. As I fear it will be the Continental Empire of Justosia's, that's our name you couldn't even get right by the way, to watch you share their ultimate fate. Justosia, Vanguardia, and Victoria Island tried it your way. For the last time.

Lastly, you're fooling yourselves if you think any observer nation here is content to stay such. No. Full membership is always the goal. Seeing as how that's no longer possible, I have then discharged my last duty as Imperial Ambassador to the Organisation of Democratic States. God bless you. Viva Justosia."

Ambassador Sauzo then left the chamber. He motioned for the vacation of all in his delegation. He immediately began texting via secure line, the clip notes of the goings on here in Tibur for the last couple hours to Avalon.
 

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Secretary-General of the Organisation of Democratic States, Tibur 07032020
Communication reserved to ODS members Having read the Justosia Continental Empire's decision to no longer be an observer member of this organization,
We declare that all passes to Justosia staff are withdrawn and held inoperative from this moment, in compliance with the ODS Regulations.

It is also our concern that the eighth voting section closes on Justosia's requests to be a full member, with negative results.

His Excellency the Secretary-General
Alfia Vepunia
 

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"Oops,that went horribly wrong", Roberto Piga, the Eiffelloretalian representative, said to himself.
 
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REPÚBLICA AURARIA
MINISTERO DE ASUNTOS EXTERIORES
14 March, 2020
[SECRETO ALTO]
His Excellency Alfia Vepunia
Secretary-General
Organization of Democratic States
Lars, Federal Kingdom of Etruria

Dear Secretary-General Vepunia,

Before progressing on any topic, I feel compelled to reiterate my regrets of being unable to arrange an agreeable deal between the ODS and the Administration which would result in a positive vote from the National Court. Those negotiations have proven to be tedious and far more burdensome than any in the Aurarian Government had originally suspected. Nevertheless, the situation in Gallia-Germania has once again evolved to such a point where I feel it necessary to speak directly.

I want to speak clearly and firmly with the nations in which this letter is received: The Grand Duchy of Furlaine did not, at any point, communicate its intentions with Auraria nor, to the extent of our knowledge, any other Gallo-Germanian State. Neither has the Grand Duchy brought up their intentions at the first nor second Gallian Summit – however the reasons for the abrupt departure from the Second have become slightly more clear. In the end, I cannot stress enough that the signing of the Ivar-Grau Bilateral Status Quo Treaty was a unilateral action of the Grand Duchy. It is that unilaterality that causes concern in Solis.

Firstly, there is no doubt that the Status Quo Treaty between Kadikistan and Pelasgia has proven to be an effective tool for peace on the Long Sea, however it came with a degree of concessions that both parties agreed to. The agreement signed between Ivar and Grau contains many of those similar concessions, however it is very clearly applied to Gallo-Germania at large, not isolated to Furlaine – and these concessions were again given by the Grand Duchy unilaterally.

The Status Quo Treaty declares, just that: a status quo. The signing of the treaty provides for Kadikistan’s intervention into the affairs of the Gallo-Germanian Continent on an unprecedented level in the name of defending the “status-quo.” While Kadikistan agreed to not permit new Gallo-Germanian members into the Rurikgrad Pact, they have already admitted all likely members but Serenierre – a nation with a tenuous past in the organization. Simply, they agreed not to expand but at present there is nowhere for them to expand.

The Grand Duchy of Furlaine declared a “status quo” in Germania that Kadikistan will now have legal merit, almost an obligation, to defend. This status quo applies to, for example, the current situation in Bourgogne. Communist Bourgogne suspended elections and is regularly attacking civil rights of the Burgundian people. They joined the Rurikgrad Pact to ensure that their regime would have the full support of Ivar – thus locking in place. This situation cannot, in the opinion of the Republic, be seen as final yet nevertheless, the Grand Duchy’s signature of this treaty does just that.

The fear of the Republic is that the new treaty between Furlaine and Kadikistan will grant Kadikistan unprecedented new powers to control the affairs of the continent. Despite the disagreements between our governments and the Gallo-Germanian Continent at large, it is imperative that we stand united in our response. To that end, the Republic is calling for an immediate, strictly confidential meeting to discuss the nature of this treaty and how we will jointly respond to its implementation.

Thank you for your consideration and I look forward to a positive answer.


Signed,

ALCIDES CABELLO
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GABRIEL COSTA
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REPÚBLICA AURARIA
MINISTERO DE ASUNTOS EXTERIORES
14 March, 2020
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His Excellency Alfia Vepunia
Secretary-General
Organization of Democratic States
Lars, Federal Kingdom of Etruria

Dear Secretary-General Vepunia,

Before progressing on any topic, I feel compelled to reiterate my regrets of being unable to arrange an agreeable deal between the ODS and the Administration which would result in a positive vote from the National Court. Those negotiations have proven to be tedious and far more burdensome than any in the Aurarian Government had originally suspected. Nevertheless, the situation in Gallia-Germania has once again evolved to such a point where I feel it necessary to speak directly.

I want to speak clearly and firmly with the nations in which this letter is received: The Grand Duchy of Furlaine did not, at any point, communicate its intentions with Auraria nor, to the extent of our knowledge, any other Gallo-Germanian State. Neither has the Grand Duchy brought up their intentions at the first nor second Gallian Summit – however the reasons for the abrupt departure from the Second have become slightly more clear. In the end, I cannot stress enough that the signing of the Ivar-Grau Bilateral Status Quo Treaty was a unilateral action of the Grand Duchy. It is that unilaterality that causes concern in Solis.

Firstly, there is no doubt that the Status Quo Treaty between Kadikistan and Pelasgia has proven to be an effective tool for peace on the Long Sea, however it came with a degree of concessions that both parties agreed to. The agreement signed between Ivar and Grau contains many of those similar concessions, however it is very clearly applied to Gallo-Germania at large, not isolated to Furlaine – and these concessions were again given by the Grand Duchy unilaterally.

The Status Quo Treaty declares, just that: a status quo. The signing of the treaty provides for Kadikistan’s intervention into the affairs of the Gallo-Germanian Continent on an unprecedented level in the name of defending the “status-quo.” While Kadikistan agreed to not permit new Gallo-Germanian members into the Rurikgrad Pact, they have already admitted all likely members but Serenierre – a nation with a tenuous past in the organization. Simply, they agreed not to expand but at present there is nowhere for them to expand.

The Grand Duchy of Furlaine declared a “status quo” in Germania that Kadikistan will now have legal merit, almost an obligation, to defend. This status quo applies to, for example, the current situation in Bourgogne. Communist Bourgogne suspended elections and is regularly attacking civil rights of the Burgundian people. They joined the Rurikgrad Pact to ensure that their regime would have the full support of Ivar – thus locking in place. This situation cannot, in the opinion of the Republic, be seen as final yet nevertheless, the Grand Duchy’s signature of this treaty does just that.

The fear of the Republic is that the new treaty between Furlaine and Kadikistan will grant Kadikistan unprecedented new powers to control the affairs of the continent. Despite the disagreements between our governments and the Gallo-Germanian Continent at large, it is imperative that we stand united in our response. To that end, the Republic is calling for an immediate, strictly confidential meeting to discuss the nature of this treaty and how we will jointly respond to its implementation.

Thank you for your consideration and I look forward to a positive answer.


Signed,

ALCIDES CABELLO
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Aurarine Republic

GABRIEL COSTA
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Dear Minister of Foreign Affairs Alcides Cavello and Gabriel Costa,

We are happy to receive this letter from your nations, not so much for its content, but for the confirmation that the Grand Duchy of Furnaline has independently act without any collaboration by free nations within the European Continent.

Like you, our organization was also concerned about the rapid expansion of the Rurikgrad Pact, and consequently it was agreed to offer diplomatic help to the Grand Duchy. But nothing, no signal or alarm bell, made us foresee the possibility that Furlanie would conclude a similar agreement with the Red Republics.

The Organization of Democratic States agrees with the Gallics Republics that there is an immediate need to organize a closed door meeting. Consequently, we make our headquarters available in Tibur, which for the event will be reserved only to the minimum indispensable staff and all public sessions suspended.

United, despite the Distance.
His Excellency the Secretary-General
Alfia Vepunia
 

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I ask the other ODS members to ponder on their actions, what my government obtained with Kadikistan was done to protect Furlanìe and bring peace to Gallo-Germania, escalating tensions as the Etrurian government is doing helps nobody but our enemies.
 

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It would be appropriate for the Grand Duchy of Furlanie to remember that the enemy, as you have defined it, is now its main partner in every sector as far as we know.

Just a few weeks ago, you prayed this body to offer help, we appraised diplomatic help, which you did not use. Obviously your country did not use it, because, as we can see now, Furlanie was already secretly dealing with the Republic of Kadikistan.

What can we see from this agreement if not a myopic vision of the European continent by the Grand Duchy?! We know that the price of Furlanie security is the constant threat to our borders, which has never diminished, but rather, has increased.

Do us the favor of not offending our intelligence with your false gift of peace in Europe.

Diplomatic representative of the Kingdom of Etruria.
 

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We asked for the ODS to mediate between Furlanìe and the BPR, it was your lack of action that brought us in this situation.
Since when asking for a mediator means asking for a general undefined support? we asked for help, you didn't act, now stop acting like a little child! we cannot play games with the lives of our people! TRAITOR!
 

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The Government of the Kingdom of Etruria, through its spokesman within the Organization of the Democratic States, requests the Secretary General, Alfia Vepunia, to vote, according to the regulation, the suspension of any facilitated customs duty to the Grand Duchy of Furnalanie.

The behavior of the Grand Duchy has shaken the foundations one of the fundamental pillars of our organization, the cooperation. Furlanie, in contraposition to any form of cooperation with his neighboring countries, has autonomously elected to lead the continent, sinning of pride. Ivar-Grau Understanding is a clear demonstration of Furlanie's arrogance.

It is in our interest to stem the economic power of Rikingrad in our market, a power that, if not stemmed, could act as a form of blackmail in the future. To protect ourselves, we have an obligation to remove the troja horse from our market.

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  • -Introduction
Honorable colleagues,
Following the formal request of the Federal Kingdom of Etruria to vote on the request to suspend any customs relief to the Grand Duchy of Furlanie, your representatives are called to express themselves on the matter.
  • Vote
  1. Union State of Eiffelland-Retalia [ YES ]
  2. Confederate States of Johnston Isle [ YES ]
  3. The Federal Kingdom od Etruria [ YES ]
United, despite the Distance.
Her Excellency the Secretary-General
Alfia Vepunia
 
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Let it be known that approving this motion would be much more than just a reduction in trade, but a breach to an agreement already approved by this organisation, proving to us and to Europe, as it did to Justosia, that the ODS is not a reliable partner.
I will speak no further, but I ask the more reasonable representatives of Effello-Retalia and Johnston Isle to consider this matter seriously, as it would stain the name of ODS for the years to come. blaming Furlanìe for working towards peace, and trade is the best tool to achieve it, can only mean that ODS is irrevocably focused on war.
 

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We ourselves find ourselves gravely disappointed in the Grau government with the Ivar-Grau agreement. We had offered our diplomatic assistance, however it was not clearly swift enough for the Grand Duchy compared to the iron fist of Ivar. We cannot force the Burgundian Peoples Republic to have us mediate the issue like Ivar can. Ivar can force the Burgundians to fall in line or else, the very fact of the Rurikgrad Pact is not democratic, but authoritarian in nature is clearly visible.

The agreement does not stop the BPR from expanding to take hold of the rest of the former Burgundian, all it does is neuter the ability of the Grand Duchy to react, keeping its leash tied by Ivar, in exchange for economic incentives. What has the Grand Duchy actually accomplished with this agreement? How has this agreement done anything to bring a greater potential for peace to Gallia & Germania? The way we can see into it is it has handed Ivar free reign over even greater region at the expense of security for millions, all for what? A quick buck as Grau receives greater economic opportunities?

We will hold off on casting a vote at this moment, given we wish to have a discussion with the Grand Duchy representation.
 

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To be very honest, we ourselves are also quite amazed, and disappointed as well, by this move by the government of Furlanie. The ODS was not even given a chance to start mediating in this conflict. We could have turned this situation into a much more favourable outcome for Furlanie if we would have got the chance to do so. However, now it has placed itself under the umbrella of Kadikistan. I don't know if Furlanie voluntarily signed this Status Quo Treaty, but if this happened under Kadikistani pressure, then the government of Furlanie should have informed us in order to give you some certainties. I know that the decision process within the ODS is rather slow, but we can act fast and swift if needed.

We also have other concerns regarding this Status Quo Treaty: It can't be that Rurikgrad Pact goods, among others the faulty and sloppy creatures spawned by the Polesian copy machinery, circumvent the ODS-tariffs and import regulations on Rurikgrad Pact products through Furlanie.

By the way, talking about the Polesian copy machinery, Furlanie should be worried about its advanced techniques, especially about the products of Baviêr Tramais. I can announce that the Eiffelloretalian industry is currently considering to withdraw all its investments from Furlanie and cancel all its cooperations with Furlanian companies, because it does not want yet some more techniques to be copied by the Polesian copy machinery.

We will hold off casting a vote at this moment as well in order to give Ambassador Lecrôs the opportunity to reply; however, we are highly concerned about this matter. I am awfully sorry to have to announce it, but I have to announce that my government gave the order to all the companies cooperating with Baviêr Tramais to put that cooperation on hold, out of fear that Eiffelloretalian techniques end up in Kadikistani and Polesian hands.
 

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Esteemed General Secretary,

The Federation of Natal, always steadfast in it's hope that the world can live in peace, in democracy and economical prosperity has decided to take the next further steps in improving its relations with the member nations of your organisation by applying for the position of full membership into the Organisation of Democratic States.

As a nation that has seen it's own share of conflict, Natal remains steadfast in making efforts to see the world live at peace and will hope that while it is contains a defence treaty too, we hope the ODS family of nations share our own view that the only future for humanity is one of free trade, free travel, respect for human rights and dignity and peace.

Signed
Charles Tanner
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Honorable colleagues,
Following the formal request of the Federation of to join as an full member, your representatives are called to express themselves on the matter.
The representative is called to cast his vote with argument.;
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  1. Union State of Eiffelland-Retalia [ YES ]
  2. Confederate States of Johnston Isle [ YES ]
  3. The Federal Kingdom od Etruria [ YES ]
United, despite the Distance.
Her Excellency the Secretary-General
Alfia Vepunia
 
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The Government of the Kingdom of Etruria, votes in favor of the entry of the Federation of Natal into the Organization of Democratic States.
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