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Ooc: besides the anxiety I wrote about in the Absence thread now I'm having a lot extra work, I'll answer as soon as I can, sorry guys, I'm keeping the Friulian economy going via mobile phone tho, and added the instability to the calculations
 

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To answer the Johnston Isle representative: what my Government hoped to achieve, besides securing our own safety, but I'll get more in detail about that later, was to help create a communication channel between the Kadikistani state and Gallo-Germania, as we, alone in this spirit as it seems to be, deplore war, an illness that always strangled the stability and growth of our continent in the centuries.
Our hope was that the historic friends of Furlanìe wouldn't abandon the Grand Duchy at the first sign of disagreement, and this would have opened the opportunity for a positive and fruitful economic, and possibly political and cultural dialogue between the two spheres.
What the representative blindly calls a "quick buck", is the proof that economic cooperation can avoid a conflict, and be beneficial for all.
In regards of what the representative from the People's Republic of Eiffello-Retalia has said, which must be the true name, as their entire industry executes its government orders in a matter of hours without posing attention to its profit and benefit; if you trusted our Government, our people, our companies, our police forces, our economic freedom thus far, in a trading flow that has gone on for centuries, I don't, with all my imagination and technical knowledge, understand how economic cooperation with Kadikistan would lower our integrity now, when we only and simply put on paper the already active trade with them and expanded it with equal benefit for both.
The same checks and balances that are up for any of your industries, will be up with Kadikistani goods, companies and individuals, we have not become a lower partner in a union, what we did is simply achieve a solution in 3 weeks time with Kadikistan, while in almost 2 months this organisation had done nothing at all besides giving a pat on our back and ignoring the security of our people.

The BPR topic is one of great concern to Furlanìe, while you talked on your comfortable chairs, our people where fearing an invasion in the north-west, we received no pragmatic support from this organisation, while Auraria to the west blamed us for even putting up a military defence at the border! my government didn't want dead Friulians on its conscience, and therefore, having no support from the west, and no support from the south, tried to open a dialogue with the master of puppets in the East, and it worked, do you really blame us for that?

I must be clear now, as we talk between us, and my Government has still a minimum trust in you: Furlanìe wants the BPR to be destroyed, and that will remain our objective, we are just using the weapons Providence has given us, which are economy, diplomacy and controlled, secretive intervention.

If the ODS wants now to turn its back completely, and leave us to ourselves, let's not blame Furlanìe, let's not blame Polesia, and let's not blame unilateralism: it is warmongering, and posterity will judge.
If the ODS decides to understand the necessity and good spirit that brought us to make this choice, we will be honoured to remain an external partner, a diplomatic link, and an informal ally, in the fight against the spread of communism.
 

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Please excuse the late reply. Eiffelland-Retalia votes in favour of admission of Natal to the ODS as well. Let's welcome Natal into these hallowed halls.

Diplomatic representative of the Union-State of Eiffelland-Retalia.
 

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We would like to study the reply by the Ambassador Lecrôs before giving a reply. There is one thing I want to mention beforehand though: Our economic concern with the Rurikgrad Pact is not really Kadikistan; it is Polesia. That country has no respect for copyrights, counterfeits our techniques, counterfeits our cars and counterfeits our money.

Diplomatic representative of the Union-State of Eiffelland-Retalia.
 

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We would like to study the reply by the Ambassador Lecrôs before giving a reply. There is one thing I want to mention beforehand though: Our economic concern with the Rurikgrad Pact is not really Kadikistan; it is Polesia. That country has no respect for copyrights, counterfeits our techniques, counterfeits our cars and counterfeits our money.

Diplomatic representative of the Union-State of Eiffelland-Retalia.
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We have no agreement nor cooperation with Polesia whatsoever beyond a recent simple pleasant diplomatic exchange
 

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  • -Introduction
Honorable colleagues,
Following the formal request of the Federation of to join as an full member, your representatives are called to express themselves on the matter.
The representative is called to cast his vote with argument.;
  • Vote
  1. Union State of Eiffelland-Retalia [ YES ]
  2. Confederate States of Johnston Isle [ YES ]
  3. The Federal Kingdom od Etruria [ YES ]
United, despite the Distance.
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Press vision of the vote, in compliance with the regulation in force within the Organization of United Democrats:
I declare that the Natal Federation, its citizens, are now full members of the ODS, with all rights and duties.

Taking advantage of the situation, having observed the growing number of members, I have decided that I will use helpers to carry out my duties. The new figure of the Commissioner will support my work and deal with a single topic, helping the member states in their coordination, security, social and democratic progress.

I invite individual representatives to send me the names of possible candidates to my office.


Her Excellency the Secretary-General
Alfia Vepunia
 
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We thank the representative of Furlanie for their gracious answer but it has left me with more questions than answers at this moment in time.

If the Burgundian Peoples Republic was of an imminent threat, and the Grand Duchy was in fact as worried as it claims about the communist forces spilling across its borders the Grand Duchy could have went above and requested something we would have a more direct capability of providing immediately. I can vouch that my government would have taken immediate action to assist in the means deemed necessary to protect the Grand Duchy, whether in material support, or additional forces to secure a defensive line along the common border. Why were none of these avenues approached? In our eyes the Burgundian Peoples Republic is more concerned with strengthening its grasp on its borders, and most likely looking to subdue the Chagny regime by force in the future, as we see no other reason for their committal to the Rurikgrad Pact.

While you say your government seeks to see the Burgundian Peoples Republic fall as a major foreign policy objective, we question the moves made, as now the Grand Duchy is essentially an economic partner of the Rurikgrad Pact. That makes it a little difficult to seek the collapse of a country that will now be wide open to business for the Grand Duchy via its membership thru the treaty clauses, as a bridge goes both ways, so while Furlanie goods and services will now be available in even greater supply in the Rurikgrad Pact, it also means the cheap copies of the Polesian state will be able to flow into Furlanie, obviously this would be detrimental to the Eiffelland Industry. These states are poor, they are stagnant and corrupt because of their governments, does the Grand Duchy think that there will be that high of a demand in Rurikgrad countries for its goods and services? If the working class those governments claim to represent would be capable of even affording them and not just the ruling elite?

No, it is our belief it was a victory for Ivar. It will take advantage of this agreement while it can, it will steal by any means necessary the technology it needs to attempt and gain a parity or superiority with the western technology base for military purposes. Many call it a treaty of Status Quo, I wouldn't call it a status quo as that was broken by this agreement, its a victory for Ivar and a loss of Gallia, as where can you show me anywhere that this treaty has brought peace and stability, or kept that status quo from before this treaty? Gallia is closer to war than it has been in a very long time.

I hope Ambassador Lecrôs you see that I am giving a chance to hear your governments side and make a more informed decision, giving you a chance to hear our side while we hear yours, so that either something can be reached for an agreement and the need for the vote proceeds, or that we all have a better understanding for the purpose of the vote. As the ODS is as democratic as our respective countries, not an Iron Fist where you have no choice but to fall in line like the Rurikgrad pact members must before Ivar.
 

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Ooc. Unless you all stop assuming Furlanìe has an agreement with the rurikgrad pact, which it has not, it only has it with kadikistan, I won't answer any questions and stop influencing my economy as its seems to me more of an ooc objective of yours to weaken me
 

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As previously announced, I will appoint the Commissioners of the Organization of Democratic States. They will assist me in the management of the ODS, in the respective fields of interest, and are headed by my office.
  • Commissioner for Democracy & Demography: Julie Laborde, -Retalia
  • Commissioner for Cooperation and Security: Dr. Christopher Vlahos,
  • Commissioner for Economic Progress & Commerce: Jordan Davis, @Natal
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After hearing what the Grand Duchy of Furlanie has had to say, and further review with the chancellor and the rest of the cabinet. I must vote Aye on the The Federal Kingdom of Etrurias' proposal against the Grand Duchy of Furlanie.

Stopping to look at ambassador Geralt Lecrôs, she then contined

We do not vote to remove Furlanie completely from this body at this time, as I do view this as potentially salvageable but the Grand Duchy left us with not much else of a choice, it tied our hands and started its fate in dealing with Ivar. Now why is it we voted aye? Its not the fact of it being simple economic ties to Ivar being formalized, its concessions given to Grau to increase its economic presence in Kadikistan and visa versa. That is what is a problem is it is increasing economic ties with our enemy, if we were to do nothing then its like letting your co-worker go a round with your wife in the bedroom while you just sit in the other corner and watch.

Next reason why have voted the way we did? "kadikistan will firmly oppose expansion of Rurikgrad pact in Gallia through new members." Theres not much else room left for them to grow in Gallia via new members, there is however plenty of room for their existing members to grow in size and strength by aggressive military expansion. We have seen it time and time again, the communist scourge only acts when it see's weakness by a nations military being distracted elsewhere/domestically or when it has an overwhelming advantage. It is only a matter of time until they support the BPR claims in reclaiming the Chagny government. This makes this yet another unacceptable point to my government, if the BPR situation was as grave as Grau claims....it would have made many provisions aimed at control and containment of the BPR and guaranteeing the independence of Bourgogne.

Instead it only neutered itself by prohibiting itself from becoming a full member of this alliance, effectively limiting and tying your hands when the communist troops come pouring across the Bourgogne border from different directions. So to finalize this, it is our view that the Grand Duchy of Furlanie acted in its own interests to attempt and make further gains economically. It acted against the interests of my government, against the ODS, against the interest of the Gallian people, and most of all against the interest of peace. Gallia has become a powder keg due to this disagreement.
 

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I'm afraid I have no other choice than agreeing with our colleague from Johnston Isle. This Status Quo Treaty is indeed a choice by Furlanie against us. Therefore, we vote aye on Etruria's proposal against Furlanie.
However, I'm afraid we also have to find out why Furlanie signed this Status Quo Treaty. I'm afraid that we did not make clear enough to the country that we would support it against the People's Republic of Bourgogne. That is something we have to reproach ourselves for according to me.
 

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Press vision of the vote, in compliance with the regulation in force within the Organization of United Democrats:
I declare that all bonuses guaranteed within the common market in accordance with the voting session at the Grand Duchy of Furlanie, are removed in accordance with the voting session .

All member countries are required to respect the following vote, Commissioner Jordan Davis will be at your disposal to coordinate efforts to reintroduce a normal customs service with the Grand Duchy of Furnalenie.


However, this vote in no case removes the right to observe the ongoing debate for the Grand Duchy, with its representative, as he is still an observer member.
Her Excellency the Secretary-General
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Esteemed representatives,

As you might have heard of the recent, devastating earthquake that has hit the Nedernesian archipelago and the Tsunami that came in the aftermath, I propose that the ODS becomes the main vector of international aid to the heavily afflicted Commonwealth. A joint aid mission will not only end up being more efficient in helping the Nedernesians, but it will let up bring much more equipment, personnel and supplies to the devastated regions, without putting a too big of a strain on our own national healthcare infrastructure. Hence, I joint ODS aid mission will be formed of Etrurian, Eiffellandian, Natalian and Johnstonian workers and equipment, with their numbers proportional to the economies of the member nations of the ODS.

To your vote, I propose the following operational structure:

  • 15 ambulance helicopters: 7 Eiffellandian, 4 Etrurian, 3 Johnstonian, 1 Natalian;
  • 25 vehicle ambulances: 9 Eiffellandian, 7 Etrurian, 5 Johnstonian, 4 Natalian;
  • Up to 1,500 doctors, all volunteer based, depending on how many from each nation decide to volunteer. Ideal proportionality would be 33% Eiffellandians, 25% Etrurians, 22% Johnstonian, 20% Natalian;
  • Up to 3,000 aid workers, all volunteer based again, with the same proportions.
  • The creation of a telemedicine system in case that Nedernesia will be facing a lack of doctors and medics, connected to the hospitals in Trier, Lars, Camp Hill and Seneca.
  • Up to 20,000 thermal blankets and 5,000 military grade tents to be sure that the refugees are housed.
  • An aid plan that would go up to 15 billion EM, from which the cost of the mission will be paid and the rest sent as a no-interest redevelopment loan to the Nedernesian government to aid in the reconstruction phase. The costs of those funds would be again divided by the member nations.
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Egregious members,

in this difficult time, we are called to take action to alleviate the suffering of the people of Nedernesia. As suggested by my colleague, Commissioner Jordan Davies, to maximize the effectiveness of the intervention, we cannot afford to act as individual countries. For this reason, I invite you all to approve the proposal vote by show of hands, given the urgency. The vote will subsequently be duly registered. The Kingdom of Etrurria has already given its consent for the operation.

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We fully see the need of an ODS humanitary aid operation in Nedernesia. We will fully cooperate with it, in the way stipulated by Commissioner Davies. Herewith a 100% yes for Commissioner Davies's proposal.
 

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We agree with our colleagues and will be looking into what resources to contribute to the mission as help continues to pour into Nedernesia and more damage assessments come to light.
 

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Esteemed representatives,

While we understand the irritation of the Eiffellander government as to the whole Folxmashin episode, we must warn against the consequences of the continuous escalation of tensions between Eiffelland and the Kadikistani Union and the new economic war that stands to start, if it didn't begin already. To this, we say the following, the Kadikistani Union is very similar to Natal, in the sense that it gets a lot of the hard currency it needs to function from the export of raw resources, with timber, and mineral mining being some of the largest industries in the world, to be found there. The ODS and DDI, and other Scanian and Gallo-Germanian nations, because they have a high quality of life, can't afford to concentrate on the 1st sector of the economy so much as the Kadikistani Union or Himyari countries like Natal, Pelasgia and Azraq. Hence, for example a ton of iron ore, or coal or bauxite will always be so much more cheaper in the latter examples than the former ones. Try comparing the mining of a ton of coal in Eiffelland or Etruria to a ton of coal from Kadikistan or Natal and one would see that it's probably three or four times more expensive in Gallo-Germania, if it is mined there.

To try to not have prices fall too low, the Natalo-Rozvian Conglomerate, used the Special Economic Zones of Kadikistan to join that market too... so as to try and push competition away... and it is currently operation 8 pits, mining nickel, palladium, bauxite and gold, and has over 7,500 employees. It's presence there is probably the largest foreign company in the SEZs that provides both Natal with a chance to be a part of the said raw resource extraction in Kadikistan and thus creating a symbiosis, while also keeping Kadikistan happy as it feeds it with it's necessary hard currency. Hence, we see the SEZ as a two way blackmailing system, in which companies offering consumer goods like Rathenau or Hartnett cater to a growing Kadikistani middle class and we can use that to our advantage, but companies that extract raw resources are more vulnerable to blackmail coming from the Kadikistani Government.

What I ask you, is first and foremost, to not blunder by rising the tensions so much that the investments of the Natalo-Rozvian Conglomerate are under threat, and secondly, to not burn the bridge that might be keeping us from staying away from yet another Seven Day War episode like in 2018.

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We hear your arguments and understand your concerns.

Please realise that the copyright infringement committed by Folxmashin is a matter of principle to us. The problem is not those three car models; two of them have already been renewed on our side. The problem is our concern that Polesia won't stop at those three car models. Next time it may be a complex chemical process. Therefore, it is needed to make clear that we do not take copyright infringements lightly.

On the other hand, my government and I agree with you that it is better to reach an understanding with the Rurikgrad Pact. We only need to make sure that this level of understanding is reasonable for both sides.
 

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Egregious members,
we are coming to the last part of my mandate as the Secretary General. There was no lack of political challenges for this office. We had high and low moments, which we are proud of and others that we wish we had never done wrong. It will not be my job to judge my own operator, we leave that to our most ardent detractors, I am sure that they will be able to carry out this task adequately.

Today, I communicate to you my intention not to apply again to this prestigious political office. Therefore, starting tomorrow, up to 10 days before my role automatically expires, all nations will be free to present their candidates. At the end of this period, candidates who obtain the majority of votes, in compliance with the regulations, will be elected as the new Secretary General of the ODS.

Thanks everyone for this opportunity,
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Dear Mrs. Vepunia,

We are sad about your decision to not run for a second term. You led the ODS during a very hectic period of time, and you did it excellently. You will be missed.

Given the fact that Eiffelland-Retalia was in the middle of many recent turbulences, we consider it better for the ODS as a whole if the next Secretary-General does not come from Eiffelland-Retalia. Therefore, we will not propose a candidate.
 
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