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A rise of Occidentia?

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I know that in the end we decided to sink Occidentia because it was real estate that no one used in its latter days, but I would say that we should start to think again about that decision, as the idea of a western continent seems to spawn again.

I know it might be very easy to put the idea down, but hear me out. The days of glory of Occidentia were in 2010/11 when there were I think 6 nations there: Warre, Freiheit, Altai, Aquitania, Guyana and Anglyn. Out of those countries, mostly just the first three were truly RPed. Though while that was a golden age in quantity, I would say that the golden age of quality came in 2013/14/15, when you had Sylvania, Seneca, Ommeroth and Camden there.

While I understand the need to try to make the world smaller in such a way to bring countries together to have much more interaction, I would say that now that we are in the modern era again, that might be a smaller problem than in was in the 50s scenario.

With the development of Echidna as an eclectic region, separated from the largely African themed Himyar, we could say that there wouldn't be a need for it, but there has been a recent surge of interest in American themed stuff.

I spoke with Beautancus and he wants to do an American themed nation with cherokee indians as an important population group, JAWriter wants to create his Mazidic Dominion as a Maya/Aztec nation of Brazilian proportions. Zeke contemplates to return to Sylvania as another American themed nation. Warre has his Arthalan colony which has mesoamericans and Justonia wants to have a hispanic identity. I would say that one can find in this list here both the quality and the quantity necessary to see a return of the continent.

It doesn't have to be huge, like Occidentia was before, but something to give people a place to RP their ideas and interests freely, without having anomalies like Mayans and Cherokees living hand in hand with Somalis and Zimbabweans, in the same neighborhood with the Greeks. While we all do love multiculturalism and such, Himyar is just transforming into a strange mess.

That is why I believe that maybe Echidna could be like broken from Himyar and changed into an Occidentia or having the Western continent rise from beneath the seas from scratch.
 

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For the record, I don't think it needs to be western. A New World Continent of some kind, shape, or size, could also be placed in the big Southeast, below the Toyou Island chains. As to why we need a new world- well, so long as Toyou remains on lock-down, and Himyar becomes an increasingly bizarre hodgepodge, and Europe is full...why not?

You might argue that all of this is just talk, and that in six months or less we'll all fall back asleep or just go back to dicking around in Europa as usual. That may be true, but since when has having nations that are inactive hanging around on a map been a problem? :p And if the continent is kept distinct and seperate from the rest, then rising/sinking it as needed could be easily managed if that was really necessary.

On another note, having a clear, continent/cultural affinity map might also help for newcomers, though that could end up being too much work. Just a random thought.
 
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I'm certainly for it, but I will also advocate something radical for the sake of "balance" - why don't we sink parts of Touyou? Much of it isn't in use, and since many people want to pivot west, it'd be sensible.
 

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Personally, I support this.

I'm certainly for it, but I will also advocate something radical for the sake of "balance" - why don't we sink parts of Touyou? Much of it isn't in use, and since many people want to pivot west, it'd be sensible.
I agree, it's a big blank spot, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people who want to play there. Maybe take out a few parts of the main land mass, but leave the islands for colonies and maybe anyone who wants to play an Indonesian nation or something.
 

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Personally, I support this.
I'm certainly for it, but I will also advocate something radical for the sake of "balance" - why don't we sink parts of Touyou? Much of it isn't in use, and since many people want to pivot west, it'd be sensible.
I agree, it's a big blank spot, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people who want to play there. Maybe take out a few parts of the main land mass, but leave the islands for colonies and maybe anyone who wants to play an Indonesian nation or something.
Yeah, because while we MAY eventually have a sprout of various national claims for asian nations it's on lockdown right now and has been largely prepetually. Doesn't hurt to sink SOME of Touyou and add a western (or far eastern? continent) between Europe and Touyou or between Himyar and Touyou. WE could also modify Echnida from Himyar, and I can say that if a new continent rises to be an 'Americas' analogue I'll definitely be moving Arthalan there, because from the beginning I've wanted it's natives to be Mesoamerican and/or North American natives (at least those from the great plains and the like), as opposed to Uroduah or Nethlians.

I think the issue is and has always been 'Occidentia or an 'Americas' takes away from the RP of Himyar, so we can could, or should also either shrink Himyar, break Echnida from eastern Himyar, OR make the various Himyari nations larger (Azraq could definitely go further into the inland territories of eastern Himyar if Norse wanted it to, I feel); perhaps a combination of the three. We shouldn't ignore it's importance as a place for RP, but it is undeniable that the precedence we've long had of 'what belongs where, peoples wise' in the RP has probably made some people think they couldn't do what they wanted to there.
 

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I'd also add it would be a good idea to make sure that people could have actually got to Occidentia in the past, maybe by island hopping, or a thin strait, or perhaps an ice age. However while I think it should be isolated so as to make Pre-Columbian people fit, it shouldn't be so isolated that there's no diplomacy involved between nations there and in Europa.
 

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I'd also add it would be a good idea to make sure that people could have actually got to Occidentia in the past, maybe by island hopping, or a thin strait, or perhaps an ice age. However while I think it should be isolated so as to make Pre-Columbian people fit, it shouldn't be so isolated that there's no diplomacy involved between nations there and in Europa.
Island chains do wonders for that, and it could easily be done depending on where we put it, but I definitely agree. Previously given the spread out nature of Scania, Occidentia was closer to that than anyone or anything else and it required us to shrug at some of the implications to make it 'work'.
 

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Having a new world area would be very nice, I can't say that i will ever be as active as i was in 2013/14 but i will certainly enjoy doing Sylvania again. the only reason i wasn't doing it up till now is because i was in a 2 1/2 year long training process and my employment was based on whether or not I completed that. Well I did and now i can devote some time to RP again.
 
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I support the essence of the original post, and Sylvania's post in every degree. I definitely plan to have a diverse lot of Pre-Columbian/American Indian derived or inspired groups, Eastern Woodlands and Old Frontier especially - North Carolina tribes largely.

I would like to have something of a Pan-European origin, that developed into its own distinct identity over the course of the 17th to 19th centuries. The relationship between the Tribal and Colonial societies will have been far more nuanced, with the modern Cussian culture and ethnicity being more than partly derived from at least a handful of the better organized Eastern Inspired groups. It will be a time of great growth, in direct response to Sylvania's slow decline - mirroring some aspects of the modern American economy in this way (though not to that degree/"powah lvl").

It will have a Miskatonic, what if Theosophy were mostly ripped off from American Indians rather than Indians inspired "Nativist Church" playing a prominent role in social life of the people, also. More will be said elsewhere, as is appropriate.

Of a certainty, a separate landmass where it will be possible for Pre-Columbian peoples to have existed logically, is my desire. I don't so much care where. There will have been absolutely 0 Colonial chattel slavery, ever, the end.
 

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Blasts from the past! Would be good to see you guys come back. I ain’t nearly as active as prior, but adding a post or three a week is usually my goal. Would be good to see more of the old group together again and providing some more content to read.

If location doesn’t matter, I think creating an “Australasian” like continental area would be easy as there is a lot of blue sea there. Pick up the mass of islands southeast of Himyar (Is that what is called Echidna?) and move them more into the Implarian as more of a continent? The dimensions of the map don’t have to change, so it’s less work on Engellex.
 

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Perhaps Occidentia is a misleading name for as it doesn't have to be in the West as such as that would potentially mess with what Engellex has created with his vision of a 'Thaumantic' power but I don't see why say the SWR couldn't be moved and expanded so as to create an America-Australia hybrid of sorts.
 

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I would like to place Cantignia in or around a great again Occidentia as well. Preferably on a big beautiful island, but if necessary a bordered state complete with high high walls as is fitting for the Friendly Confines!
 

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You could go the other side of our (Mazidic Dominion) Great Frontier Mountains? They're basically the Andes/Deepest Amazon, complete with hostile tribes who have never even seen a white man.
 

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A map wizard recommended we post our population estimates to better gauge the size of the prospective continent. I would like Cantignia to have 25 million human beans, could do less if necessary.
 

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I'm happy to have 90 million(less than brazil's 200 mil) as a larger nation.
 

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I don't really have much input on this directly, since by the time I first arrived to the forums a couple of years back our not-America was already dead and Engellex sunk it shortly thereafter. Instead, I'll say why I support this based on what I've seen in Himyar. Personally, I fully agree with Ovi's statement here. With G-G being essentially Europe and Toyou being Asia, we have in Himyar this weird status where every nation that's not explicitly Asian or European is dumped. This also creates the problem of Himyar being not only our Middle East and Africa, but also our America (the former is a problem in and of itself, since it negates the existence of Northern Africa or the Levant, depending on how you see it). Northern Himyar is also dealt with as an extension of southern Europe to make space for not-Greeks, not-Spaniards etc. which is a can of worms in and of itself.

With the exception of Natal and a couple of colonies (Peninsular Rep, Virumaa's Loago etc.), most nations in Himyar have really no place there. The former SWR? Commie USA, nothing to do with Himyar. SOCRER? The USA. Pelasgia? The Byzantine Empire (which includes not only Greeks, Arabs and Egyptians which you could project into the Middle-East & Africa region somehow), but also Georgians, Romanians, Armenians and others that really have no place there but I just put there because we lack an Anatolia-Levant-Caucasus corridor. There's also been the occasional nation that has nothing to do with Himyar but gets chugged in there for space (like the 1984esque style White-Supremacist state somebody made a year ago and then dumped, in whose RP you could replace the African token natives with anybody who isn't white, really).

Most of these concerns would be addressed if Occitania or some other equivalent thereof could be created, so Himyar could be relieved from unrelated nations. I say this as someone who has by this point RP in Himyar for 3 of their 4+ years on this forum; you all remember me decrying the lack of activity in Himyar on a monthly basis, but I don't think dumping everybody that doesn't fit elsewhere into our fair little continent will do anything to solve that (since the "African" and "Levantine" parts of Himyar remain mostly deserted anyway). Yes, Himyar will still have to do the heavy lifting of filling in for two regions at the same time (ME+Africa, and potentially three thanks to my Caucasus-including shenanigans; EDIT: and potentially four cuz Southern Europe) but at least we won't have the Cherokee riding around at the same place as the Zulu, while the Egyptians and the Greeks fight a land war somewhere to the north. We'll just have to rationalise the Romanians, the Spaniards and the Egyptians being located some kilometers away from each other by land (that's my own problem to deal with ;) ).

Thanks to Ovi for starting this thread, and hello to Sylvania and Cantignia who are much more senior members than me, but both whom I've never met.
 

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my population will probably still be around 55ish million, thats what it was in the 50's scenario and i think it was pretty good for the old spot I had. I'd like to be more northerly to maintain a more North East America like weather pattern. If that's not possible I can adapt. I'm really glad that there is a larger group of folk that are gung ho about a new world continent, hopefully that will translate into some good RP opportunities for the all involved and the rest of the forum. Sup Pelasgia, You make good points about Himyar, it was suggested to me that i try to revive Sylvania there when i came back a few months ago to play that client state of Chernovy with Beau, but I never saw that happening. It is kinda crazy to try and make that continent a dumping ground for things that don't fit into Eurodisney or Toyou. I get why some advocated for that with the current forum population being what it is. :) I plan on starting up a new news thread soon that will hopefully give some insight into 21st century Sylvania vs the old 50's scenario.
 
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