A rise of Occidentia?

[Great Engellex]

The problem with the previous New World continent, and why it had to be removed, was the simple fact that nobody was on it, it had zero activity, but you still had the lone idea from one player or another, every so often, which wasn't productive to overall RP activity on the forum. I do believe it will be different this time, or, at the very least, take some time before its existence could be reasonably questioned.

I also do not agree with the Himyar dumping ground argument. We should all be able to sufficiently construct the backgrounds, the scenarios, the essential details of world building to justify and reason any existing status as a direct consequence of map constraints. It should also be remembered that African-themed nations are, I believe, the least popular. If Himyar was strictly Africa, it would be more inactive than Toyou.

 

[Beautancus]

I would also like to note that a large part of the national concept (I am developing) involves placement with Sylvania as a northern neighbor (for Beautancus). Likewise with the Mazidic Dominion as a neighbor of some sort, though I will leave details regarding that until further discussion with Vextra has ironed them out. So far as population, large, all of the peoples. I have quoted the figure of between 60-80 million in discussion with those that have asked thus far, though I don't have my heart set on any particular number from in that range. I would be happier doing more, and dealing with the increased numbers of very poor folks that would go with it, or maintaining it at the stated level and having more manageable/reasonable levels of poverty among the very bottom rungs of the economic scale in Cussian society.

 

[Warre]

Arthalan probably has about 140 Million or so, I think.

 

[Gunnland]

Re: Himyar, if the new Occidental continent rises out of the sea, I hope Himyar will be contracted so that it's not emptied out, especially with Arthalan and the SoCRER going 'west.'

It seems to me (but give input here) that Himyar could be condensed so that it includes Pelasgia on the Long Sea, space for countries conceived as having long complex interrelations with Gallogermania, then Azraq/Natalia along an isthmus to a subcontinent that could include Port Stanley, ETCOS, Loago, etc. -- the soi-disant "African" countries that are conceived as being more isolated from Gallogermania till the 17th century, and having some kind of 'second wave imperialism' backstory.

 

[Azraq]

I'm happy to go along with any changes as long as I maintain relative proximity to Toyou and also Pelasgia.

 

[Tyvia]

I'd be interested in coming back to Seneca, as well, I think.

 

[Pelasgia]

Pelasgia on the Long Sea, space for countries conceived as having long complex interrelations with Gallogermania, then Azraq/Natalia along an isthmus to a subcontinent that could include Port Stanley, ETCOS, Loago, etc. -- the soi-disant "African" countries that are conceived as being more isolated from Gallogermania till the 17th century, and having some kind of 'second wave imperialism' backstory.

I wouldn't mind it, provided we get Tephanon to still be a thing for me to RP with Azraq Though I do quite like the current Sea of Buto setup, so keeping it in some form would be nice (in retrospect I just don't wanna draw another map). Back to Occitania, I share Engellex' concern, but it seems we do have quite enough activity to at least justify it for now. That being said, he's the one putting all the work into the map every time, so it's easy for me to say what would be justifiable "for now".

 

[Jydsken-Østveg]

In order to have some RP connections to the Occident, I think I would also likely have some interest in having some sort of colony (or former colony) there.

 

[The Federation]

Idk how much of old Ostveg still exists in your RP now but I'd like there to still be some sort of Nordic connection in Sylvania.

 

[Beautancus]

I'd rather like some "Nordic" component to early Cussian colonial history, especially in the way of small, possibly private enterprises later to be subsumed by a rising naval power.

Also Francophone colonials - I need at least a few, though not to any great modern effect (they will have all blended to form the modern Cussian race quite some while ago now).

 

[Great Engellex]

I cannot underline enough how this is a

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, as it will not look like this, but rather an estimator for shape and layout.

As you can see, some things have been shifted a little. Toyou and Gallia-Germania will be re-connected, the disconnect is purely to align Toyou slightly differently. In the south-west corner I can almost guarantee it won't look like that, but something will be there.

I'm just fishing for GENERAL feedback. Again, this isn't remotely how it will look.

 

[The Federation]

I really like the map, good work even for a rough draft, some quality of life things if I may, I am imagining myself up in the northern part of the continent and it would be cool if that northern bay was a bit deeper but this is not a requirement just a request. also another request, i'd like there to be a medium-ish lake somewhere on the border of me and beautancus as i'm thinking he is gonna border me somehow. If none of those things happen i'd still be perfectly fine with it. Anyways.. good job.

 

[Oneida]

I've been meaning to post here much earlier, but I believe the points made by everyone more than adequately sums up my position on this. I am all in favor of Occidentia rising from the sea, after all...Occidentia is part of my nickname sake (Jurzidentia). It is near and dear to my heart. I have never been particularly comfortable with Himyar serving as a quasi America and I think that with all the veteran / tried-and-true RPers coming back to RP American-themed nations, I am very excited to see how the Occidentian Nations reshape RP.

As for Engellex's rough draft, as always, I love it. Also from this map, it looks like Occidentia humbles Gallo-Germania in size, which I appreciate. Very excited to see what your final product looks like.

 

[Tyvia]

I imagine I would be above and possibly including that peninsula on the east coast, with Beau beside me to the West. I believe Kyle wants to be an island, so there's no conflict.

I'm quite fond of it, though, and it looks similar to s couple drafts I put forward years ago.

 

[Warre]

I think it looks beautiful, and pretty much everything else that I think has been said.

Great job as always, Louie.

 

[Thaumantica]

I'm just fishing for GENERAL feedback. Again, this isn't remotely how it will look.

Intending to claim the large southern island that looks like old Cantignia of course, so thanks for the resurrection spell map wizard. To that area of the map specifically, instead of the two medium islands I would recommend or prefer if it were a chain of small islands or one large with a series of small companions.

I'm happy that things are progressing.

 

[Elben]

As someone who left before the original rise and then returned after its fall, I look forward to seeing this.

 

[Bergenheim]

Looks like I'll claim much of the southwest, reaching up into the heartland, though I might leave some space on the southwestern coast free for anyone who wants to play some smaller Latin-American style nation-states. Good map. :thumbsup:

 

[Northern Cooperative Unions]

I think we should definitely make it so nations in Occidentia are able to claim more territory off the bat. That way we can fill the continent up and make the map more "complete", so to speak.

 

[Thaumantica]

You mainlanders may want to begin launching MSPaint to draw potential claims out. Nothing binding of course, but visual expectations so no one gets too deeply attached an area that someone else also intends to claim.

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