Burgundy OOC: This Time It's For Real

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  1. Beautancus

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    To get those of us that are still involved in these IC events back on track. As much as possible, it will be ideal to reserve this thread for matters strictly pertaining to RP (clarification, discussion, enumeration and so on).
     
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    I think a map would be useful, even if it is just a crude marking of where the key settlements are
     
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    Seconded. I found these maps on the pages Bourgogne 2.0 and Bourgogne 3.0:
    Map of Bourgogne 2.0:http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/rowdyrugby/NNM1_zpsboqh5ekl.png
    Map of historical regions from Bourgogne 3.0: http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/rowdyrugby/divisions_zpshrdib49a.png
    1: Duchy of Bourgogne
    2. Duchy of Ouistre
    3. County of Lans
    4. Electorate of Pillau


    They seem largely the same, so we can fairly assume that they are current, at least until when Bourgogne stopped being RPed by Nicosia">@Nicosia . Unless Fleur himself has anything to add to this or another map for us.

    These maps can be the basis for the RP map.
     
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    The lake is gone, Chagny is further eest, I believe Pillau is further west, and Agneaux further south on the present map. (Lans and Pillau are not on the Europe map; I assume Lans remains the northern port.) We require a new map.

    Lans, Brienne, and Pillau should be located on the Europe map when we determine where their locations... I think the locations of the latter two are uncertain... are determined.
     
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    I think we all know I have none of the graphical skills necessary for this, but I would for sure be willing to work towards compiling and keying data to a map. If someone were badass enough to make us one. Because we totally do need one, updated.
     
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    I've taken to naming a few things, and filling out the world building as I've gone, with one of the more narratively pertinent and strategically/tactically critical being the O17 highway. As I envision it, this would be the main "interstate" into, through and out to the port for Ouistreham and the general vicinity around it, shooting out of the city inland to the E/NE, and then taking a definite hook up to Pillau.

    I also suggest we include another two or three highways of similar importance to orient ourselves, for use in both travel and gauging relative distances to and from things as we're going. Maybe an O5, a B01 and a 22N?

    Thoughts?
     
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    makes sense to me, given the importance of these roads and of the movement of troops and such.
     
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    Just a thought: would a 'European style' city have a major expressway running through it? Unlike in the US it's not really a thing in Europe. You typically have a ring road of expressway encircling the city and then major roads off of that into the centre, but they gradually spread out into smaller streets the closer you get to the city centre. Perhaps there might be a a few long and wide boulevards, Parisian style?

    Just my 2 pfennigs!
     
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    Guess that just means we'll have to blast one.

    Being serious, because those are useless for our purposes. A big highway needn't run through the middle of town for it to allow travel through town either.
     
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    I was gonna see what I can do, but my keyboard now broke leaving me with no useable computer. I’ll get a temp replacement tomorrow.
     
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    3. County of Lans... sorry but what?
     
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    Upon examining a map of Dijon - which isn't exactly (or at all) a coastal city (obviously), but it is the Burgundian city - it most assuredly does possess the kind of highways in question, traveling not only through the "center" of the city, but numerous examples thereof. So...I think we should just continue as I suggested, given the main consideration here is detailing the flow of military grade hardware and vehicles. Especially given that those highways will continue out of the city, and have a great deal of importance for those of us involved in this RP.

    (EDIT: Likewise, I cannot but imagine that this would hold true for every significant French port-city, so I don't think the suggestion that "European style" cities lack major thoroughfares through their hearts is quite on point here.)
     
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    I think perhaps we have different definitions of a highway. I thought you meant a multi-lane, closed-access road with on and off ramps for speeds of above 100kmh.

    If you just mean large, wide, multi-lane roads that ring around and go into the centre (minus the old city), yeah of course most European cities have those. They just don't have what Atlanta, Dallas & Co. have running through them

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    With me, usually, the safest bet is to assume I have put entirely too much thought into something and will insist on entirely too much detail. As in files of images and noted research on the subject matter and on and on, lol.
     
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    While Chagny is based on Dijon, it draws on many other cities. However, the assumption would be correct that Burgundian infrastructure is such that no highway would run through it directly. Chagny is really dwarfed by the city of Brienne in terms of size.

    Lans was handling 430,000 tonnes of cargo a year. I would say its a significant port indeed.


    Aside from some general changes, this map was always what I used as a reference point. Pillau is roughly correct on that map as I played it and Chagny is correct.



    The County of Lans was/is a historic region. Prior to the unification of what is Bourgogne on that map, the County of Lans was a rather powerful independent region.
     
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    The discussion on roads and highways is cool and all, but beyond quibbling over details I can't see what further use it serves. There are roads that military vehicles could use, and that lead out of the city - if not directly through it - and into the wider country. That they exist, for the players writing in this RP, and that their names are known to all, were the points. Not considering exit ramps.
     
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    What say we use this as a general guide for our purposes? The primary amendment I would make would be to place the airport in the upper right of the image (whatever direction that is irl).
     
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    agreed, Calais I feel is a good fit, do we want to add troops positions etc on the map?
     
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    We can, for sure. Can also do a few descriptive posts if we need to, whatever suits.

    Disregarding the rl directions for Calais and the map, let's assume the orientation is right = direct north/left = direct south. The port towards the center of the top portion of the map is where the Cussians are coordinating on the ground/overseeing unloading of troops and materiel as they're shipped in.


    Of Most Special Note: I'd like to suggest that Ouistreham features a pair of very famous, prominent early modern forts, relegated to prominent landmarks in recent centuries - until the Battle of Ouistreham. The forts are on opposite sides of the city, one is near to the port and already under the control of Cussian Marines. We'll call this one Ouistrebanke. They've posted some of their communications within and underneath Ouistrebanke for now.

    The fort on the eastern side of the city, leading out of town, Forteresse de la Porte (Fortress of the Gate) isn't in Cussian, Engellachian or Engell hands. I suggest the location be somewhere in the vicinity of where N 43vers St. Andres intesects with 17.

    It is only a suggestion, but it's likely the multi-lane highways (this being an area where several converge) and nearby industrial facilities would provide useful hard cover and positions from which to coordinate for BPRist forces pushing into the city. The old fortress itself won't hold up to the very heaviest aerial bombardment or artie, but it would provide a decent lookout for Cussian and Engellachian (mostly the latter in this part of town) inf and light armor/light wheeled vehicles as they approach.



    Rundown on Cussian forces and basic disposition otherwise

    Cussian aircraft, when we last left them, were approaching the city from the sea at very hith speed, with their very leading element just now crossing over the beachline. Their missiles are flying well in advance, and much faster. One of the League's primary objectives for the first phase of this operation is to establish air superiority in a definitive fashion, so this sort of aggression and pressure will be maintained where and for as long as possible.

    As noted above, Cussian forces are arriving through and spreading out from the occupied port complex, an armored cavalry force just unloaded/were heli-dropped (mostly infantry fighting vehicles and mechanized infantry & their APCs w/ a small contingent of Conqueror 2s, SPGs and mortar carriers) have wheeled around the city from this position and are hooking back around to attack the Burgundian positions on the eastern side of the city. The 1st Armored will be joining them in my next posts.

    Cussian Airborne and Marines (regular but fairly well-trained infantry, not SpecOps) are pushing through the center of town with that waterway, and will be aiming to seize control of the primary thoroughfares heading out of town.

    In total, the initial force contribution of the Cussian Armed Forces comes in at somewhere around 100,000 troops - which includes combat and support personnel, vehicle crews, aircrews and pilots as well as the various Special Forces and Missile Commands.

    The Engells are at the airport (sort've upper middle lefthand corner of the map) and as soon as it is confirmed to be firmly under their control we will begin to make quite some bit of use of those facilities.

    Yanksy's has some extended and complex deployment going on, so will let him touch on the details and get the nuance just right there.
     

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