Burgundy OOC: This Time It's For Real

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  1. Beautancus

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    Does Boulon have an airport or field of note?
     
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    Left it ambiguous where the strikes landed intentionally, you can determine what's smashed and go with what serves your story flow Revy.
     
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    Just an aside, I must commend Johnston Isle for his moderation. Haven't seen such a good and structured approach in a long time.
     
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    Who is this cryptic anonymous fellow?

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    Didn’t Petites-Pays">@Petites-Pays start this war on the other side both factionally and geographically? Now it’s to the South and opposes the Domain, but before it was to the North and was meant to actually contribute armor in favor of the domain.

    Surely this is bizarre to other people too, right? Maybe Beautancus will not object, but at a minimum it should require some clarification of roles.
     
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    my exact understanding would be the same for Petites-Pays that it was for SWR, twas not on the map(or even requested) before the onset of conflict so any kind of direct intervention would be off the table.
     
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    PP was originally scheduled for the northern spot, but then a new player came along and they were accommodated with their preferred spot. My understanding is that there is no intention of attacking either side, so surely the RP move shouldn't cause any issues - otherwise, we also have to talk about Nitra, SWR or arguably Belmont involving themselves in any capacity in this RP as well.
     
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    Hadn't considered them. Belmont has been on the map a while, at least, but I suppose that would hold true for Nitra too.
     
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    Nitra joined after SWR, and SWR also only got created after this conflict started and arguably has had a major IC/OOC impact on this. Something up for discussion I think.
     
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    Let’s not jump to conclusions on my RP. I know there is a degree of paranoia in the Engel clique, but not everything is about fighting you. Politically though, it is about condemning you and you guys have done more than enough to earn it. The exclusion zone isn’t large and will work as a place to keep refugees and also create a buffer zone should somebody decide they want to use me as Belgium to get to Serenierre. It’s no secret the Engels want to attack them, and it’s no secret the Engels seem to despise all Francophones. What else happens in the exclusion zone is up to whatever other nations I get can to stock up the region.
     
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    The conclusion jumped is that you shifted a nation politically and geographically in the course of the conflict. Perhaps I’m just a paranoid bad guy, but I wouldn’t do something like this to RP partners.
     
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    I think you can blame your friends for that.
     
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    I won’t engage in all of that, I’m just asking you to consider the geographic and political move as unfair on some level, right?

    SWR was also sold as a minor support scheme from a new nation, but is responsible for advising the fire bombing of Ouistreham and is sending a fleet to the region I think?

    I’d like to take your word that it’s going to improve the story and game value of it all, but given the circumstances I myself wouldn’t even try to do what you’re doing and would advise to just sit it out considering arguments with players involved and that you had to change around so much of the nation.
     
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    On the matter of Belmont. It's curious, and convenient that a player can fall and in and out of activity based upon their IC prospects, and then magically poke their head back above water when they think they have the best shot.

    I want to fight that war, believe me. But I might also just disappear, and then come back when the tables are turned against Belmont again and pick it back up. All's fair in love and war, it seems.
     
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    1. Serenien non-action was becoming more and more unjustifiable based on the established roleplay and the nature of the invasion occurring in Burgundy. The Exclusion Zone, alone, which comes right to the Serenien border itself would have been a source of immediate hostility had I not been preoccupied by IRL matters.

    2. I feel the critique would have been justified had I bolted as soon as the war started. But many people in the community knew long before that I had pressing OOC commitments. Plus, I had been mulling over the past weeks, as some people observed, that I had made a sporadic return to cover the gaps. Plus, your own ally, Mr. Engellex, took advantage of my preoccupation in Occitania last year to take over Al-Kez (a colony of Borovanger). He had been absent long before then. And literally had no justifiable RP reason beyond taking advantage of the situation.

    Here, however, you're dealing with a long established country with a very long established narrative of Gallian regionalism and a very aggressive approach in defending that. Anything less is simply uncharacteristic from SRN. I'm sure many others would interpret it the same.

    3. Additionally, that second last line is highly problematic in my view. Holding a grudge in that manner is something which is toxic and problematic for the community as a whole.

    Thanks.
     
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    That IC Serazine Snakes would stir was always part of the consideration here, at least in my understanding. Existing nations reserve the right to be selectively quiet then loud about something, it's new nations who were not to be considered beforehand or midstream OOC nation changes that I object to.
     
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    I agree, Engellachia.

    Also, Johnston Isle, you will have to tell me what information you require from me.

    Plus, if this roleplay is to continue, I must request some leeway in respect of timing. I am planning on making a "to the point" post after work. And will generally be more available on weekends. But of course discord is always there to coordinate with me.

    Pursuant to my news earlier, and something which was uncontested earlier, the Serenien military was already at the highest state of alert short of war time mobilization. You may see my military wiki for what that means. I think the levels of mobilization are mentioned there.
     
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    I understand it a great deal and really had no interest into stepping in, but now the war has expanded and I do exist during this expansion. I feel I’m required I act. I’m not joining either team (I think I made that clear in the public statement), but I do need to take some kind of action and I’d rather that action be on Burgundian territory than on my own. It’s a public declaration of an zone of control, and where my troops will be ready for any attack on Petites-Pays.

    Additionally, it’ll be an open sanctuary for refugees with no requirements, open to foreign peacekeepers as well. It certainly could be a point for escalation, but only if others make it so. It will be a possible political point of contention when the RP ends, so I think it’ll be a good RP addition.

    The RP has been toxic since the start. Unfortunately I think you know what waters you are wading into.
     
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    Would like to hear what Xen meant here (after which I noted that Belmont isn't precisely new to the map). Have no problems sending the stomp somewhere else, otherwise.

    Point still stands, shady actions in the past, shady actions now (on problematic whatevers).

    Likewise, I mentioned some while ago that Beautancus rolled its mobilization from Justosia into Burgundy, which was only the span of a few weeks, and that drew a bit of guff. Would it be months you've been mobilized now?
     
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