Cartographer's Office: Map Discussions & Comments

[Merioneth]

okay maybe we should ask Taley because after all he has to do all the work

 

[Merioneth]

does the map come out tomorrow (Friday)

 

[Great Engellex]

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That's the proposal I was making. There is nothing drastic, other than the complete sinking of the western landmasses, and still a huge number of pixels for future players, or IC expansions of present players. It's basically the map that Ivernia released prior to Taley's mapmakership.

 

[Merioneth]

Ah right okay well im sure we can always bring it back if needed anyway which I highly doubt.

 

[Gallega]

I have an upcoming idea for O1 which I'm in the process of writing and posting, if that's okay with everyone. Though the other western plots are not important to it.

 

[Merioneth]

Socialist World Republic Comments and Opinions

If it's okay with you guys I'd like to claim 4 (!) spots at once: B13, B14, B15 and B17

I know this may be a bit much to ask, but really, the entire map is pretty empty, especially over there, and I imagine the SWR to have large swaths of sparsely populated wilderness.

Location : B13,14,15,17
Name of country : Socialist World Republic
Name of capital : Deliverance
Location of capital: where B13,15 and B17 meet

I'm not sure if Taley allows it I think you're allowed to pick one and expand as your RP gets more in depth but he might allow you I'm not sure unless you're similar to the USA in which case I understand and think it would be a cool idea and I want to be your ally because strongest military in the world

 

[Dalriada]

If it's okay with you guys I'd like to claim 4 (!) spots at once: B13, B14, B15 and B17

I know this may be a bit much to ask, but really, the entire map is pretty empty, especially over there, and I imagine the SWR to have large swaths of sparsely populated wilderness.

Location : B13,14,15,17
Name of country : Socialist World Republic
Name of capital : Deliverance
Location of capital: where B13,15 and B17 meet

I won't mind, I would like to have a pretty large nation in far away place since I believe we need to be in some type of Cold war(I know we don't have nukes), the arms race created so many new technologies for military and civilian use

 

[Ivernia]

I only speak for myself here but if I were to trust anyone with multiple mapspots to create a ''great power'' nation it would be Carentania. One of our better RP vets on the forum. It's good timing actually because there was just talk about sinking boreas. Without an application like this, I was about to post my support to sink it.

I would like to state though, with both Kadikistan and the Socialist World Republic on the map we need a counter balance to the socialist and communist power. Not because they need to be countered, I just mean for our RP to thrive we need conflict, best done by opposing but (mostly) equal forces.

Also I'm gonna move these posts out of Taley's thread to keep things clean.

 

[Dalriada]

I only speak for myself here but if I were to trust anyone with multiple mapspots to create a ''great power'' nation it would be Carentania. One of our better RP vets on the forum. It's good timing actually because there was just talk about sinking boreas. Without an application like this, I was about to post my support to sink it.

I would like to state though, with both Kadikistan and the Socialist World Republic on the map we need a counter balance to the socialist and communist power. Not because they need to be countered, I just mean for our RP to thrive we need conflict, best done by opposing but (mostly) equal forces.

Also I'm gonna move these posts out of Taley's thread to keep things clean.

I was planing for my ruling party be kicked out by communist, pro government forces and communist fight for few months. Then the Cymru Administration takes charge, if you look at my wiki explains them. They take over when my country is too unstable or during a war. The Cymru Administration becomes dominated by right wing and capitalist parties our two governments could created a celtic union or something like that.

Maybe Kadikistan captures one of my men in Ivernia, find outs I have been supporting Ivernia in the civil war and arms them in the takeover.

It won't be uncommon since one of my P.Ms been killed, the Assembly been bombed once, nearly go to war with Ivernia and then the govement taken over by a rouge army commander, this is a span of 36 years. So I would think it would be in Ivernia best interests to keep their troubled neighbour stable and pro capitalist with the rise of communism.

 

[Remuria]

Every once in a while, in a cycle, more or less, we start having "pile ups" of single ideology nations. Currently I have some reservations about the continued pile up of communist nations and people hinting about communist take overs and what not, because that's "cool" and "trendy".

HOWEVER, if there is yet again one player that has always been consistent with his RP as a socialist bloc nation and has been great about it, it's Carentania. And even if RPwise countries are on opposite sides ideologically, I trust Carentania to bring great RP to these boards.

And also honestly we don't need all those bloody empty pixelz everywhere. Either give them to people, or do as Engie suggested and just remove them.

 

[Dalriada]

Every once in a while, in a cycle, more or less, we start having "pile ups" of single ideology nations. Currently I have some reservations about the continued pile up of communist nations and people hinting about communist take overs and what not, because that's "cool" and "trendy".

HOWEVER, if there is yet again one player that has always been consistent with his RP as a socialist bloc nation and has been great about it, it's Carentania. And even if RPwise countries are on opposite sides ideologically, I trust Carentania to bring great RP to these boards.

And also honestly we don't need all those bloody empty pixelz everywhere. Either give them to people, or do as Engie suggested and just remove them.

I think of the communist take over simply because A my nations is one of the youngest and unstable, B the public don't want to become to right wing since it's associated with Ivrnia due historical context fucking hate the idea of becoming anything like them. So when the small minority of communist fail try to take over and causing massive amount of death. The public opinion will swing right wing and the plans I already talk about happens.

 

[Kadikistani Union]

I don't see Kadikistan and the SWR becoming friends so I would not be worried to much about a huge communist bloc. Like in the old classic days we will be more likely to fight each other than to help. As for the other commie nations, Serenierre is gone until May and Auraria is not that active and even if they would it has been established that there's much internal competition and differences. At this moment it feels like Kadikistan against the rest, which is fine by me, but I don't think there is anything to the 'communist power bloc' theory.

I don't think we should look at our world with the RL historical context in the back of our head. If a cold war develops it doesn't have to be capitalist versus socialist like what happened in RL. It might as well be libertarian socialist against totalitarian socialist, or fascist against liberal capitalist, or whatever organically develops. I know guys like Ivernia agree that we should have our unique little universes, but I also realize that sometimes its hard to put off our RL-glasses.

If more nations want to be any form of leftist regime there should be no restrictions as long as its done properly with quality rp.

 

[Merioneth]

Every once in a while, in a cycle, more or less, we start having "pile ups" of single ideology nations. Currently I have some reservations about the continued pile up of communist nations and people hinting about communist take overs and what not, because that's "cool" and "trendy".

HOWEVER, if there is yet again one player that has always been consistent with his RP as a socialist bloc nation and has been great about it, it's Carentania. And even if RPwise countries are on opposite sides ideologically, I trust Carentania to bring great RP to these boards.

And also honestly we don't need all those bloody empty pixelz everywhere. Either give them to people, or do as Engie suggested and just remove them.

I agree there is sort of a pile up of communist nations or communist revolutions at the moment. With my communist revolutionaries I don't at this moment in time plan on making them take over but I will have to see to be honest I think it depends on how that person invisions their nation and its up to their creativity. But also I think their is alot of instability within nations so that is causing this rise of communism and I think we need a nation to come in that can provide some stability to the region if you get what I mean.

 

[Remuria]

My reservations are of a general nature, not targeted against specific people or ideologies. We historically also had right wing nations piling up as well. As I said, it comes and goes in cycles.

 

[Dalriada]

I don't see Kadikistan and the SWR becoming friends so I would not be worried to much about a huge communist bloc. Like in the old classic days we will be more likely to fight each other than to help. As for the other commie nations, Serenierre is gone until May and Auraria is not that active and even if they would it has been established that there's much internal competition and differences. At this moment it feels like Kadikistan against the rest, which is fine by me, but I don't think there is anything to the 'communist power bloc' theory.

I don't think we should look at our world with the RL historical context in the back of our head. If a cold war develops it doesn't have to be capitalist versus socialist like what happened in RL. It might as well be libertarian socialist against totalitarian socialist, or fascist against liberal capitalist, or whatever organically develops. I know guys like Ivernia agree that we should have our unique little universes, but I also realize that sometimes its hard to put off our RL-glasses.

If more nations want to be any form of leftist regime there should be no restrictions as long as its done properly with quality rp.

Maybe republicanism vs Monarchs

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

I think it is important to stress that SWR Socialism is as opposed to "Left-Totalitarianism" (I may yet come up with a nicer term. We'll see.) as it is to capitalism and fascism. In fact, I have oldschool Social-Democratic propaganda from the interbellum in mind when I think about their ideological relationships:

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Basically, the SWR thinks it's not just part of the progressive movements, it IS the one and only progressive movement, headed forward towards human liberation, while others want to stray from that path: fascists/right-totalitarians to the right, 'communists'/bolsheviks/left-totalitarians to the left and monarchist/capitalist reactionaries back to the past. I don't deem it unlikely that Europe's power blocs may eventually sort themselves according to these groups: one authoritarian socialist, one monarchist-capitalist, one fascist and one democratic socialist.

The idea of a Socialist WORLD Republic is definitely meant seriously by those who created it and the general idea is that any country that is truly liberated must become a state in the union. When the SWR speaks of the 'free world' it means only those states part of the SWR. I have yet to figure out what this means in practice when it comes to relationships with other states and their governments, but I figure that the two major parties of the SWR have different ideas: Social Republicans think of forceful expansion, 'liberating' other countries, while Social Democrats would probably adhere to a more isolationist policy, building up the country while seeking perhaps to peacefully bolster World Republican factions in other countries Social Democratic parties - aiming maybe for a long term strategy of 'lapse' where other countries are taken over through elections and then gradually integrated into a federal structure. As said, it's just loose ideas at this point, but I am certain I will develope it into a more coherent 'World Republican' Socialist ideology with two wings, one hawks and one doves.

 

[Dalriada]

Authoritarian left would be good word to use inside of "Left-Totalitarianism". I am sure everyone seen or heard of the political compass

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[Holy Frankish Empire]

If it's okay with you guys I'd like to claim 4 (!) spots at once: B13, B14, B15 and B17

I know this may be a bit much to ask, but really, the entire map is pretty empty, especially over there, and I imagine the SWR to have large swaths of sparsely populated wilderness.

Location : B13,14,15,17
Name of country : Socialist World Republic
Name of capital : Deliverance
Location of capital: where B13,15 and B17 meet

Im all for creative maps solutions but 4 seems a bit excessive to me. Sparsely populated or not, that is roughly the same population as Russia in 1955. Also I think the establishment of a defacto superpower by eating up 4 spots in a sparsely populated portion of the map would discourage others from taking mapspots there. Nothing against you Revy, you know Fleur <3s you, but I just think it sets a bad precedent to take up 4 spots.

 

[Saaremaa]

Well, seeing the current map of Boreas, it can be seen that the spots before were bigger. What revy asked for is just a half of what Seneca or Sylvania were. That is why I would support him taking those spots and seeing how the small they are now and I would also support the idea of uniting three or so together to form bigger ones. Maybe that would also make the map a bit less... empty and also keeping the continent.

 

[Merioneth]

Well, seeing the current map of Boreas, it can be seen that the spots before were bigger. What revy asked for is just a half of what Seneca or Sylvania were. That is why I would support him taking those spots and seeing how the small they are now and I would also support the idea of uniting three or so together to form bigger ones. Maybe that would also make the map a bit less... empty and also keeping the continent.

I agree and as lots of people have said he is more than capable of handling it is what lots of the people who have been here since 2006 have said so I think it would be okay to give it to him