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Azraq

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I think it was perhaps presumptious to assume JI's paratroopers managed to jump out without encountering any anti air defense or aerial intervention.

Perhaps if JI's post was to be edited to reflect their entry into CBS and we go from there

It’s 5:30AM and I’m mad at half the people involved in this, so I’m going to make this short.

I had no idea that the Johnston Isle was going to essentially invade CBS at a time when the entire continent is on the brink of war. As a result, Eiffelland, Lars, and Auraria are now up against the entire Rurikgrad Pact and Furlanie. Alos and I do not speak and I’ve seen how Spelev speaks about this.

long story short, find somebody to RP Auraria. I’m not fighting a war RP with players that can’t civilly speak on any topic and have no respect for one another personally. You can talk all the shit you want on me, that’s fine. I have been raising the civility/OOC tensions flag this entire time.

I am swamped with work, Trying to maintain a social life, and keeping my mental health in check. If accomplishing those three things means giving up a project I’ve spent how many hours on and letting someone else RP it, then fine.
You could just RP Auraria sitting out because it wasn't agreed beforehand by JI?

I approve this message. With the SQT gone, Pelasgia can go back to the jolly business of funding/arming anti-Kadikistan coalitions. Seriously, our cold war period was our best timeline, these IC decades of calm have made RP soft and pointless (and sometimes objectively nonsensical).
Agree with both of you

I'll post as Polesia come Sunday
 

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The fact that there is a big dispute with this RP and people are just gonna ignore that and continue to RP and side with one over the other without any discussion or war mod talk is pretty bad. What a shame.
 

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Unilateral acts of war do not bound entire alliances to join in, otherwise the whole NATO alliance should have participated in the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, something that did not actually happen. The last time alliances were considered "sacred" enough to force a country to join a war they had no real involvement and interest with, was 1914. And it was the last time rulers used a 19th century mindset, only to realize that modern warfare resulted in a price in human lives too high to be paid. That's why, in this specific scenario, i don't think the ODS has any real obligation to join Johnston Isles, and Auraria, Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia and Central Himyar should not be considered as warring parties at all. Unilateral acts, without consulting allies, are to be considered as such.
 

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Unilateral acts of war do not bound entire alliances to join in, otherwise the whole NATO alliance should have participated in the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, something that did not actually happen. The last time alliances were considered "sacred" enough to force a country to join a war they had no real involvement and interest with, was 1914. And it was the last time rulers used a 19th century mindset, only to realize that modern warfare resulted in a price in human lives too high to be paid. That's why, in this specific scenario, i don't think the ODS has any real obligation to join Johnston Isles, and Auraria, Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia and Central Himyar should not be considered as warring parties at all. Unilateral acts, without consulting allies, are to be considered as such.
But how would the rurikgrad pact and me know it is an unilateral move? Even if the alliance makes a public statement how would we trust it? Especially considering that friulians just can't wait to fire their testosterone at someone after months of threats and sanctions as I already said in a separate thread.

Speaking about my nation at least, the ODS should take some exemplary measures to prove it, like kicking JI out or recalling its troops from the Gallo-germanian theatre, otherwise just solving the whole thing peacefully with a smile would make no sense in my opinion.
 

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But how would the rurikgrad pact and me know it is an unilateral move? Even if the alliance makes a public statement how would we trust it? Especially considering that friulians just can't wait to fire their testosterone at someone after months of threats and sanctions as I already said in a separate thread.

Speaking about my nation at least, the ODS should take some exemplary measures to prove it, like kicking JI out or recalling its troops from the Gallo-germanian theatre, otherwise just solving the whole thing peacefully with a smile would make no sense in my opinion.
Because right now the Rurikgrad Pact has fully mobilized its forces, while Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia haven't. Why wouldn't they mobilize their forces if a pre-planned, pre-discussed and pre-agreed attack was about to happen? Ostmark is perfectly aware that E-R forces are still in the barracks, and E-R is perfectly aware that Ostmark's forces are ready to attack along with Kadikistani divisions stationed in Ostmark. Theorically Ostmarkian and Kadikistani forces could push into E-R's territory without encountering too much resistance, until Eiffelland's forces react, organize, and form up a line of defense, and eventually study a counter attack. In short, approving a military invasion of the Rurikgrad Pact without mobilizing the troops first, is a very dumb move, specially considering that both Kadikistan and Ostmark have a military doctrine based on mobility and mechanized-motorized warfare.

That means that while the Rurikgrad Pact is technically ready to attack (or defend), the Germanian ODS nations are not ready yet - and if they are not ready to attack, it means they were not going to in the first place. It is very suspicious, that's why Grasser is contacting Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia, to find out if they really want to fight this war or if something else is going on behind the scenes.

Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia are on the border with the Rurikgrad Pact (as much as Ostmark is on the border with the ODS), they would be the first ones to get hit by the Rurikgrad Pact armies, specially the Kadikistani Army which is stronger than E-R and Lars military combined. By logic, they should have mobilized a long time ago, to make sure they were ready to either strike, or hold the position in case of pre-emptive strike, by the Rurikgrad pact.

As of now, no signs of mobilization have been seen both in Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia. That, to Grasser, doesn't look like the behavior of nations that are about to carry out an attack.
 
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I echo some prior sentiments expressed in this thread and urge that a warmod be appointed. Better to have one and not need one than need one and not have one.
 

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Because right now the Rurikgrad Pact has fully mobilized its forces, while Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia haven't. Why wouldn't they mobilize their forces if a pre-planned, pre-discussed and pre-agreed attack was about to happen? Ostmark is perfectly aware that E-R forces are still in the barracks, and E-R is perfectly aware that Ostmark's forces are ready to attack along with Kadikistani divisions stationed in Ostmark. Theorically Ostmarkian and Kadikistani forces could push into E-R's territory without encountering too much resistance, until Eiffelland's forces react, organize, and form up a line of defense, and eventually study a counter attack. In short, approving a military invasion of the Rurikgrad Pact without mobilizing the troops first, is a very dumb move, specially considering that both Kadikistan and Ostmark have a military doctrine based on mobility and mechanized-motorized warfare.

That means that while the Rurikgrad Pact is technically ready to attack (or defend), the Germanian ODS nations are not ready yet - and if they are not ready to attack, it means they were not going to in the first place. It is very suspicious, that's why Grasser is contacting Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia, to find out if they really want to fight this war or if something else is going on behind the scenes.

Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia are on the border with the Rurikgrad Pact (as much as Ostmark is on the border with the ODS), they would be the first ones to get hit by the Rurikgrad Pact armies, specially the Kadikistani Army which is stronger than E-R and Lars military combined. By logic, they should have mobilized a long time ago, to make sure they were ready to either strike, or hold the position in case of pre-emptive strike, by the Rurikgrad pact.

As of now, no signs of mobilization have been seen both in Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia. That, to Grasser, doesn't look like the behavior of nations that are about to carry out an attack.
What you say is true, although, there are JI troops right on my border since last week if I remember correctly, that looks very prepared to me

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What you say is true, although, there are JI troops right on my border since last week if I remember correctly, that looks very prepared to me

/edit: 2 weeks ago
It looks like Johnston Isle was up to something, but if the attack did not occur simultaneously, it clearly wasn't directed to Furlanie, and the deployment of troops was merely unrelated and precautional. However, i fail to see the connection between deploying troops on the border with Furlanie (which is not bound to any sort of mutual assistance military treaty with the Rurikgrad Pact) and the "paratroopers affair" in the CBS.

If i were in charge of an assault on the Rurikgrad Pact, i would have deployed large mechanized forces on the border with Ostmark and the CBS, where most of the fight would take place. Furlanie would only be considered as a "hot zone", but not automatically a frontline. Surely, i would have asked my allies (or at least warn them) about what was going to happen. Imho the simple fact that Lars and E-R have not mobilized is a proof that this action was unilateral, and therefor does not automatically imply the E-R and Lars' involvement in the war.
 

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which is not bound to any sort of mutual assistance military treaty with the Rurikgrad Pact
It is with kadikistan tho, and has increasing economic ties with Rurikgrad, consider the parliament is eclipsing out, the power is slowly going towards the Regent, which has the support of the navy, and the military leadership of Furlanìe is eager to act. even if the attack happens to a rurikgrad nation, as things stand Furlanìe is all in, it would be in its interest supporting the pact as it would consolidate its position as a friend while destroying or weakening the other gallo-germanian powers with which any form of cooperation has ceased after the sanctions were imposed
 

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It is with kadikistan tho, and has increasing economic ties with Rurikgrad, consider the parliament is eclipsing out, the power is slowly going towards the Regent, which has the support of the navy, and the military leadership of Furlanìe is eager to act. even if the attack happens to a rurikgrad nation, as things stand Furlanìe is all in, it would be in its interest supporting the pact as it would consolidate its position as a friend while destroying or weakening the other gallo-germanian powers with which any form of cooperation has ceased after the sanctions were imposed
Indeed Furlanie has strong economic and geopolitical reasons to support the Rurikgrad Pact even tho socially, and politically, it is much more similar and closer to the ODS. As a matter of fact, it all depends on the stance of Lars and Eiffelland-Retalia, at this point. The RP is evolving as we speak tho.
 

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It seems things are progressing regardless judging by the number of spin off threads that seem to accept the premise Johnstone Isle was able to successfully paradrop troops into CBS.

Providing Kadikistan (who has taken over CBS from the original player) is happy to proceed in this manner (perhaps Kadikistani intelligence suspected / knew it was likely a unilateral action?) then I think we can continue but yes ultimately a warmod will likely be needed if this escalates.

I - as a Rurikgrad Pact member via my other nation Polesia and relative novice in military affairs - cannot fulfil this position and given the potential wideranging scope of this conflict cannot at the moment think of a potentially suitable candidate..
 

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It seems things are progressing regardless judging by the number of spin off threads that seem to accept the premise Johnstone Isle was able to successfully paradrop troops into CBS.

Providing Kadikistan (who has taken over CBS from the original player) is happy to proceed in this manner (perhaps Kadikistani intelligence suspected / knew it was likely a unilateral action?) then I think we can continue but yes ultimately a warmod will likely be needed if this escalates.

Oh well if that was the case I guess if me and Ambrosia had agreed that we were going to win against Justosia then I didn't need a warmod. Consensus is against the outnumbered player so its all well and good then. I didn't need fleur. This is such a bad take.

(perhaps Kadikistani intelligence suspected / knew it was likely a unilateral action?)
Also Kadikistani intelligence just knows? Is there some sort of double standard of RP here? there was a single post of LOL MY FORCES ARE MOBILIZED and thats it, its just accepted? By what measure of RP has this ever been acceptable? Others are required to write multiple paragraphs of justification for their actions but the Rurikgrad crew isn't? Sad!
 
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Also Kadikistani intelligence just knows? Is there some sort of double standard of RP here? there was a single post of LOL MY FORCES ARE MOBILIZED and thats it, its just accepted?
Yeah it could have been done better, but spelev said his activity was going to slow down, and the event (what a surprise) happened just after that announcement
 

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Warmod. Find one. There is clearly no consensus and it’s clear without one the rule of the day will be unfair to JI.
 

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Yeah it could have been done better, but spelev said his activity was going to slow down, and the event (what a surprise) happened just after that announcement
Not everything is a conspiracy, friend. Johnston Isle was inactive up to the point of posting because as he said himself he was busy with his life outside of the froum. I can't look into the guy's heart but I'm not going to accuse him of some sort of nefarious action because he happened to do this because Spelev is not as active now and has announced that. Honestly how is he supposed to take advantage of that if a RESPONSE from spelev or whoever is running CBS's account is needed. Please stop this ridiculous conspiracy stuff.
 

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Whatever you say, let's just find a mod and figure out what happens to auraria too, if war starts and he just rage quits it hampers my RP considerably
 

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I don't want to be critical, on the contrary, I want to be critical. There are no war mods that can satisfy both sides, since ODS and friends plus Rurikgrad and friends is 90% of the forum.

I'm waiting for names...

But I also want to be constructive, so I suggest a couple of names.

@Eserland -It is new and does not hate anyone at the moment.
@Remuria -He looks like a good guy, but he speaks Italian -1.
@Madaray -I love his flag.
@Madurja -I don't know who he is, and this is right and good.
 
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I am willing to moderate, if necessary. If someone is opposed to this: no problem either. Or, an additional mod or reserve mod can be appointed as far as I am concerned.

Salen, nor Madaray, are linked to either the ODS or DDI.
 
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