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[Discussion] Lethonian Breaches of Security

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Tao Shun, Ambassador of the Republic of Tianlong, acting EF representative.

"Honorable colleague Baron Boris, our administration will never support an agreement aimed at banning a single nation from possessing a weapon simply because we do not believe it capable of exclusively defensive use. The agreements of the European Forum must be aimed at involving all nations, therefore a possible agreement on icbm deterrence must involve all the powers, otherwise we will just have to think that you are trying to turn EF into a political weapon to be used against an adversary state. Therefore, Tianlong does not consider the two requests connected and suggests separating them."
 

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Master Baron Boris Bakhmeteff, Tarusan Representative to EF

"We can and will continue to use this forum to call for condemnation and dismantling of the Lethonian WMD program, and its immediate withdrawal from Bourdignie. While the discussion of making an international binding agreement against them is also a part of this discussion it is not the primary point we are driving home. If your government does not wish to condemn such practices and join in calling for its dismantling then that is its own prerogative. Talks seeking a formal treaty with provisions banning such weapons can be carried out another time, but even such a treaty would only be binding to those who have signed it. It would do no good in this situation in which the Lethonians have continued to show disregard to the international community and even its own government in Gothenhagen."
 

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Sebastian Whitaker, Natalian Representative to the EF

I understand the concerns of the representatives of the HFE and of Tarusa, and understand the need to call for condemnation, as the Lethonians do develop a WMD program. For this, we propose the creation of a neutral, EF sanctioned investigative committee, which would investigate on the creation or existence of the said program, the length of which program has been developed solely for offensive reasons and the range on how such a program can turn any war into a war against humanity itself. This is our position regarding the issue at hand.

For the rest, we will stand by our friends from Tianlong and that we must bring forward a treaty that fully makes it illegal to create, buy and possess, let alone use, WMDs and it must be a generalised one for the whole world, not just targeting the Lethonians, even if they are now the subject of the discussion.


In regards to the withdrawal from Bourdignie, Natal is a nation that respects international treaties, so it will support it, but we must warn the member nations of the EF. Bourdignie has been destabilised by the whole episode and it is a mere shadowy rump state from what it was when it declared its independence from Pannonia. We must learn from our previous mistakes. Look at the Mandates. We voted on the disbandment of the mandate system and the withdrawal of the nations from them and what we left behind was pure chaos, as they were not prepared for anything like that. Monterrey, Al-Magrab, Hajr are all in a state of semi-anarchy, and in a way, the quality of life was decreased by the precipitated withdrawal. Hence, I call the nations of the EF not to push for an immediate withdrawal from Bourdignie, but rather, a calculated one, which will allow post-withdrawal Bourdignie continue to be functional.
 

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Anayansi Quintanilla Cuesta, Representative of San José to the European Forum:

I concur with the Honorable Representatives of Tianlong and Natal regarding going forward with this discussion. By continuing to bind any sort of agreement the European Forum reaches to a satisfactory and simultaneous conclusion of both issues brought forward by the Tarusans, we decrease the chances of that agreement being reached. It is, in other words, more efficient to 'divide and conquer,' a concept I'm sure the Tarusans are familiar with.

I furthermore wish to register an official condemnation of the Tarusan representative's threat that, quote: "
If this body cannot come to any form of agreement, we will be potentially forced to act unilaterally." Let me remind the assembled representatives here that it was Tarusan unilateral action in Pannonia which caused the conflict to spiral out of control and result in the destabilized region we continue to be plagued by. The assembled nations here do take the issues presented to this body seriously, and we are presenting serious proposals to resolve these issues. To say otherwise is irresponsible and a distortion of the facts, which is not surprising but nonetheless disappointing.

I lastly call for a vote from the assembled here to officially separate these issues into two separate discussions so we can more efficiently arrive to swift and satisfactory conclusions that prevent unilateral or multilateral conflict amongst the assembled nations here.

I yield the floor.
 

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Richard Walsrode, EF representative from the Rheinbund

"I am in favour of splitting these issues into two separate discussions. I agree with our colleagues from Tianlong, Beira and San José that handling the issue in two separate discussions will make the process more efficient. So I vote for."
 

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Tao Shun, Ambassador of the Republic of Tianlong, acting EF representative.

"Tianlong is in favor of the division of arguments. We hope that the dialogue can continue peacefully without veiled authoritarian threats. After all, the instability of the area is already the result of interventionist policies.."
 
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Gabriel Ponchardier, Baron of the Empire, Acting EF Representative

"I think it would be a mistake to divide this issue. It is one issue- provocation. Intentional or unintentional, it is clearly a case that should not be splintered so that patience may be ignored. If this is the case, I feel that things may even bee more clear to the Empire. There is no need to split an issue that is so coldly and clearly linked. Forcing this issue apart is like trying to separate two pages of the same chapter of the same book. Destroying the context does nobody any good. This kind of politically motivated motion is, frankly, detestable. Against".
 

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Master Baron Boris Bakhmeteff, Tarusan Representative to EF

"There is absolutely zero reason or justification for separating the discussion on Lethonia beyond political motivation and other tactics. This is a discussion of Lethonia and its nefarious affairs, how they are not related is questionable. It is destabilizing actions by the same entity to the potential peace on the continent of Gallo-Germania. We can only find the irony, in that it is the same nations whom voted to "legalize" the illegal actions in Pannonia that first destabilized that conflict and interfered in the internal issues after they had already undertaken such actions. That now they aim to stall, and avoid being the hypocritical politicians they are. It is quite simple, either you disagree and condemn the actions in Bourdignie and of the WMD program Lethonia is undertaking, or you stand in solidarity with them. It is that simple gentleman, you can either see that these actions are related in the fact they are a destabilizing factor against peace and we can proceed forth with a proposal for actions to curtail this threat to peace. If you cannot, then yet again this organization shows its rule of mob, its willingness to undertake actions no matter how morally corrupt, so long as the mob wills it to be, and we are done here as these halls will be marked with those in attendance as the greatest failure of the century and your places will be forever marked as such in history.

This could have led to a separate discussion towards making a treaty for people to sign against weapons of mass destruction, it could have marked a turning point for the European Forum, but currently it appears that certain parties seek to continue its spiral and use it as a political tool for global scale mob rule instead of peace.
 

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ON THE SUPPOSED LETHONIAN BREACHES OF SECURITY
Lena Johansson, EF Representative for the Scanlaw and Free Peoples of the North (SKÅNSKELAG)

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As the old adage says, don’t correct your opponent when they are making a mistake. So she would not. It would be far more beneficial to complicate and muddy the waters and thus help delay anything that might be attempted. It may have in fact allow time the next President to be elected. «Yes, I do agree. Our friend to the east is correct. We shouldn’t separate the topics it may be detrimental to the spirit of the current debate.»
 

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Lord Fernando Torres, Imperial Ambassador to the EF

"Justosia is in agreement that red tape will only serve to exacerbate this already heinous situation. Avalon also stands with Tarusa's God given right to self defence. Against."
 

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Richard Walsrode, EF representative from the Rheinbund

"I have a question to the representatives from the HFE and Tarusa. Are you here to find a solution to the problems in Gallo-Germania, or is whinging about the Leuthonians and Thüringäuer your only goal? We are already close to a solution for the Lethonian and Thüringäuer presence in the Bourdignian Rump State, but at this moment that solution is blocked from becoming effective, because you want it to be combined with a solution to the missile system, and that solution takes longer to discuss out."
 

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Master Baron Boris Bakhmeteff, Tarusan Representative to EF

"I do not see where we are close to any form of solution about the continued foreign troop presence in Bourdignie Mr Walsrode. Even the Scanian representative has taken to skirting around the issue at hand. I have a solution, I have had it from before we even started these discussions, as we have attempted to engage the international community to expand on it and bring pressure on the Lethonians and company to withdraw themselves in accordance with the treaty and to cease and desist their weapons program.

If chaos is feared by many of the nations in this organization from the withdrawal of the ScanLaw military forces then lets put forth resolution replacing them with the white Helmets of the EF. A multi-national force comprised of two to three other nations and some Frankish and Tarusan troops under the EF banner. This diverse make-up of a force would immediately replace the occupation forces from the North to oblige by the Chagny Treaty, and appease those whom claim the withdrawal would spark chaos and unrest amongst other things. Many nations here as well condemn the WMD program of the Lethonians, this program itself has sowed political strife in ScanLaw. This is one of the greatest threats to the continent and the global status quo for civilian safety. In the resolution we call for the cessation of the program, and dismantling of the weapons systems capable of carrying out the attacks. The placement for random weapons inspections by a coalition of nations of facilities capable of producing the payloads and of those capable of producing the delivery device. Provisions can be included for failure to comply to apply pressure upon them to abide by the resolutions.

This body can show it does function, it has a purpose, it can do it here, and now. Otherwise, this organization has failed its goal, its objective of being a source of hope for the innocent and is morally corrupt.
 

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Sebastian Whitaker, Natalian Representative to the EF

"It is actually a surprisingly good proposal. I would like to state that the Constitutional State of Natal will be all for it and will be ready to be one of the nations providing volunteers for the White Helmet initiative. We will also be supportive of an international investigation and commission to discover and dismantle WMDs and the facilities capable of producing and delivering them."
 

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Tao Shun, Ambassador of the Republic of Tianlong, acting EF representative.

"We do not oppose these requests, and we support their being put to the vote as soon as possible, as is the practice of the European Forum."
 

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Anayansi Quintanilla Cuesta, Representative of San José to the European Forum:

Honorable Representatives, it is a pleasant surprise to see the compromise proposal put forward by the Tarusan Representative, and a welcome change of pace from the previously aggressive rhetoric we have seen up to this point.

We therefore join the Honorable Representatives of Natal and Tianlong in expressing our tentative support for the Tarusan proposal as laid out, as well as calls for this proposal to be crafted into the form of a resolution that can be voted on, along with volunteering as we previously have to be one of the nations involved in the White Helmet Initiative alongside Natal.

Lastly, as a sign of good faith for this proposal and recognizing the current vote, we hereby withdraw our proposal to split the discussion into two separate issues.

I yield the floor.
 

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Antonios Antoniou, Representative of the Pelasgian People's Republic to the EF

"The Pelasgian People's Republic salutes the initiative proposed by the Tarusan Representative, as it would enhance pan-European cooperation and oversight while ensuring that the interests of all parties are respected. Given its distance from the region and its own ideological and diplomatic neutrality from both sides, Pelasgia is ideally placed to serve in a peacekeeping role in the region; we therefore volunteer the Pelasgian People's Army as part of the White Helmet force, subject to the consent of other EF members, of course."​
 

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Richard Walsrode, EF representative from the Rheinbund

"Well, as you see, Your Grace Baron Bakhmeteff, you already get an enormous amount of support from many sides for your proposal. From myself included, by the way. You didn’t see the signs, I did.
I will vote in favour of this resolution. I can also announce that the Rheinbund will open up its seaports, soil and airspace for the peace force to travel to the Bourdignian Rump State. Furthermore, we will assist in the logistics."
 

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Master Baron Boris Bakhmeteff, Tarusan Representative to EF

With the passing of resolution 2/2022 The Empire of Tarusa will be ready provide its contingent of 500 peacekeepers allowing the Holy Frankish Empire to contribute an equal amount to reach our thousand total manpower contribution to the peacekeeping initiative. I would like to also state that we endorse the nation of Ostmark to take the lead in the peacekeeping operation for operational control as well as for it to take the lead with the inspections, seeing its position as having already provided humanitarian aid in Bourdignie and its position as one of the nations that has shown itself as the most neutral of parties.
 

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Antonios Antoniou, Pelasgian Representative to the EF

"The Pelasgian People's Republic applauds the successful passage of Resolution 2/2022 and calls upon all interested parties to fully comply with its provisions. We are prepared to dispatch a force of 500 peacekeepers to the region."
 
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