Official Map Thread :- Kew Edition

[Pelasgia]

Seems like I'll have to get started on the RP for that colony after all

 

[Kadikistani Union]

I want to protest the removal of NPC/RP archive Justiza. Not happy with this and feel like this should have been discussed.

 

[Dalriada]

I want to protest the removal of NPC/RP archive Justiza. Not happy with this and feel like this should have been discussed.

As far as I have been aware Justiza still is a NPC if you refering to me starting RP again as Montreux, (thanks admins/mods for the name change I have lost patience with non interest in solving my nation placement/background I know RL come first for people but I shall carry on RP as Montreux without directly referring its position in the world.Also far as I am aware only you have a problem with my nation's background and location so talk to the others to solve it.

 

[Great Engellex]

I want to protest the removal of NPC/RP archive Justiza. Not happy with this and feel like this should have been discussed.

Justiza was discussed a little at the end of January, or rather mentioned. I had the impression players would have preferred him to remain, due to the Long Sea RP, but didn't care that much if he was removed.

He was only removed due to someone wanting his map spot. As we're talking about island nations, there are always options.

 

[Pelasgia]

He was only removed due to someone wanting his map spot. As we're talking about island nations, there are always options.

Perhaps a small island could take over his role? Justiza was very important to the current RP dynamic of the region, as I have previously mentioned. Unless we can find some other way to justify past tensions, that is.

 

[Kadikistani Union]

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If Cymru is set on that spot I won't go against it, though I do find it annoying that of all the islands he had to take the one with a year's worth of very detailed and diverse RP crammed in it. And that it was given to him without debate, I though we were past such forms of decision-making. But yea I'm fine with a small island being created somewhere in the middle of the Kalahari to replace Justiza. However since Cymru is going to be a Burgundian thing, I guess the Status Quo Treaty is pretty much off the table. And if that's gone, it also drastically decreases the reasoning behind keeping Justiza as an NPC.

 

[Saaremaa]

There is a small archipelago south of Jurzan that could be given to NPC Justiza.

 

[Dalriada]

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If Cymru is set on that spot I won't go against it, though I do find it annoying that of all the islands he had to take the one with a year's worth of very detailed and diverse RP crammed in it. And that it was given to him without debate, I though we were past such forms of decision-making. But yea I'm fine with a small island being created somewhere in the middle of the Kalahari to replace Justiza. However since Cymru is going to be a Burgundian thing, I guess the Status Quo Treaty is pretty much off the table. And if that's gone, it also drastically decreases the reasoning behind keeping Justiza as an NPC.

As far I am aware I have not been given anything, personally don't care if I get Justiza or not but I want an island spot in that area, somewhere giving me the most advantage for my economy which has been historically been maritime trade then moved into Financial services in the late 1800s. So what the Greek put it I am the french- swiss cyprus.

 

[Polesia]

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A quick update. I do intend to clean up this map a bit at some point soon, with a possible proposal for editing East Himyar to make it look less ugly. With regard to Aegada's spot, please do feel free to request that the original border be returned, however I do believe this to be an improvement to not just Aegada but that whole little region - as I couldn't see a new player, or old, requesting that awkwardly shaped, small space.

Blank maps will be updated tomorrow.

Looking sexy af. Minor amendment: Free State, not Free States please.

 

[Novo Srbja]

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[Great Engellex]

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If Cymru is set on that spot I won't go against it, though I do find it annoying that of all the islands he had to take the one with a year's worth of very detailed and diverse RP crammed in it. And that it was given to him without debate, I though we were past such forms of decision-making. But yea I'm fine with a small island being created somewhere in the middle of the Kalahari to replace Justiza. However since Cymru is going to be a Burgundian thing, I guess the Status Quo Treaty is pretty much off the table. And if that's gone, it also drastically decreases the reasoning behind keeping Justiza as an NPC.

There were three opportunities for anyone to put a proposal for what to do with Justiza - in the Grand NPC thread, and twice in this thread (mid-January, and Cymru's application for the islands). Nobody made a proposal for Justiza as an NPC, and nobody objected or sought discussion regarding Cymru's want of those islands.

I do ask questions, and for feedback, and input when updating the map, and rarely receive a response from the forum - usually only from Pelasgia, to his credit. You cannot assume that I will be thinking along the same lines as you, I don't, and I am not a mind reader. I have no interest in Justiza, and I am indifferent to it existing on the map; the SWR was a different matter, and I opposed removing him, though I believe a reduction may be reasonable.

Cymru applied for Justiza's spot on 20th April, and the map was updated 30th April. During that time nobody opposed the removal of Justiza. It's a bit unfair to now object, having had the map updated, and at the same time be critical of the decision-making.

 

[Great Engellex]

Location: South of the border with Bourgogne and Cetnija (preferably bordering both country). It is a landlocked country, with a small territory.
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Is it necessary to be landlocked? You can have that entire free space.

 

[Novo Srbja]

Is it necessary to be landlocked? You can have that entire free space.

Yes it is a landlocked country, and not much space is required for it anyway

 

[Kadikistani Union]

There were three opportunities for anyone to put a proposal for what to do with Justiza - in the Grand NPC thread, and twice in this thread (mid-January, and Cymru's application for the islands). Nobody made a proposal for Justiza as an NPC, and nobody objected or sought discussion regarding Cymru's want of those islands.

I do ask questions, and for feedback, and input when updating the map, and rarely receive a response from the forum - usually only from Pelasgia, to his credit. You cannot assume that I will be thinking along the same lines as you, I don't, and I am not a mind reader. I have no interest in Justiza, and I am indifferent to it existing on the map; the SWR was a different matter, and I opposed removing him, though I believe a reduction may be reasonable.

Cymru applied for Justiza's spot on 20th April, and the map was updated 30th April. During that time nobody opposed the removal of Justiza. It's a bit unfair to now object, having had the map updated, and at the same time be critical of the decision-making.

I protested Cymru's move to him personally before he was put on the map. I made the mistake of doing this through PM and assuming that he would back down from his claim. When he went on to say that he's going for a city state project, I presumed that he would take one of the many tiny islands in the region. Believing that all was well and I had more pressing matters on this forum I never went over his claim.

Engellex, you are right when saying that there doesn't appear to be a conclusion on the Justiza NPC matter, but just like you I presume that something is okay as long as nobody protested against it. With the absence of mods or admins I think that's the only thing to do anyway. Since I pleaded to keep Justiza around and felt support from others, such as Pelasgia, and no opposition from anyone I took the liberty to assume that this was a community-backed decision.

But by all means, lets not stretch this out. If you would be so kind in to giving a few pixels of the Kalahari to the nation Justiza, I would be much obliged. If you don't, well there's nothing I can do about that.

 

[Great Engellex]

But by all means, lets not stretch this out. If you would be so kind in to giving a few pixels of the Kalahari to the nation Justiza, I would be much obliged. If you don't, well there's nothing I can do about that.

It is not my intention to not accommodate yours, or anyone else's ideas and wants for the map, I've only tried to do the opposite as best as possible which is why I felt the criticism unfair.

I will draw up something of a proposal, for both you and Cymru. Is it a necessity that Justiza has all the original islands?

As for Justiza, it should be regarded as an official NPC, and interacted with and developed. There is no reason now for the Kalahari RP to be stalled, it will take some effort of cooperation, but I believe Kadikistan, Pelasgia, and who else was involved, are capable of succeeding.

 

[Kadikistani Union]

It is not my intention to not accommodate yours, or anyone else's ideas and wants for the map, I've only tried to do the opposite as best as possible which is why I felt the criticism unfair.

I will draw up something of a proposal, for both you and Cymru. Is it a necessity that Justiza has all the original islands?

As for Justiza, it should be regarded as an official NPC, and interacted with and developed. There is no reason now for the Kalahari RP to be stalled, it will take some effort of cooperation, but I believe Kadikistan, Pelasgia, and who else was involved, are capable of succeeding.

I believe I owe you an apology, Engellex, as it was never my intention to accuse you of a lack of integrity. The reason I reacted somewhat harsh is because the whole Justiza affair has been given me headaches ever since he left. It was resolved after me and other players spend a fair amount of time in the discussion both on the forum and on irc, so when the headaches came back after I deemed them settled, I got frustrated.

Naturally I would prefer if the main island of Justiza remains (his colonies are less essential to me), but I'm willing to compromise. If Cymru needs that island for his RP vision to work, he should have it as forum activity comes first. I do request that Justiza's new location would be very central, because it's strategic location in the middle of all major Kalahari maritime trade routes was a determining factor in many rp decisions.

Thank you

 

[Great Engellex]

I believe I owe you an apology, Engellex, as it was never my intention to accuse you of a lack of integrity. The reason I reacted somewhat harsh is because the whole Justiza affair has been given me headaches ever since he left. It was resolved after me and other players spend a fair amount of time in the discussion both on the forum and on irc, so when the headaches came back after I deemed them settled, I got frustrated.

I completely understand, I had similar frustrations to do with my Engello-Montelimar War RP, though perhaps for different reasons.

Naturally I would prefer if the main island of Justiza remains (his colonies are less essential to me), but I'm willing to compromise. If Cymru needs that island for his RP vision to work, he should have it as forum activity comes first. I do request that Justiza's new location would be very central, because it's strategic location in the middle of all major Kalahari maritime trade routes was a determining factor in many rp decisions.

Thank you

Given that Montreux is a new nation, it isn't unreasonable that it could work with entirely new islands. I am certain that can be worked out. Cymru may even find it preferable.

 

[Saaremaa]

Can you change Naoned to Hartem and Truru to Selburg?

 

[Polesia]

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Cetnija has now left the forum - why don't you take his space? He was a Serb nation. You'd get to border me then as well

 

[Novo Srbja]

Cetnija has now left the forum - why don't you take his space? He was a Serb nation. You'd get to border me then as well

I didn't know that, it's actually a nice spot i'll take it then