The Red Horse Prophecy

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  1. Ambrosia

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    In contemplating what to do with this nation RP for some time and being unable to commit the time I eventually had a dream last weekend where I was considering changing nations but instead decided to make it communist … In the dream that is. But I’m awake now and pitching it IRL for our fantasy world:

    The narrative of Fiannia I have set up currently is that Sylvanian frontier territories or the young states that comprise my nation broke away from Sylvania during a war with Pohjanmaa. I’ve never really had a good reason why, only perhaps that Fiannians desired full autonomy and anarcho-libertarianism away from the Sylvanian Feds and Pohjan Imperialists. I cannot explain why the Fiannian territories did not fall back into Sylvania and considering now that it is locked in between the Democratic Defense Initiative for forty years almost I have trouble imagining how Fiannia isn’t part of that or just a series of Sylvanian states.

    With what little RP I have done in the last two months it has been foreshadowing a Christian fundamentalist movement – I think they should be Mormons essentially, but I haven’t RP’d them as such yet. Like Mormons they would have had a charismatic prophet, I’ll call him Gary Ambrose, and he would have followed a similar path of expulsion from established cities in Sylvania in the mid to late 1800s. Importantly though he would have, in the course of prophesizing and proselytizing, made the ‘Red Horse Prophecy’. This is a play on the controversial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy

    In this RP version my Christian frontier group would have believed instead that the Sylvanian constitution was inspired by God, and that the 1950s war and circumstances of the time were some sign of the Sylvanian Federal Government faltering away from its pure purpose. The prophesied red horse to save the nation, in their perverted lenses, would have been aid from a communist state or movement.

    This is a proposition to make Fiannia historically and contemporaneously a communist associated state. I’m not going red flag or making all aspects of the country a soviet clone, but I am proposing that there would have been cooperation and association with the Rurikgrad Pact in such a way that maintained separation and prevented integration with Sylvania post-war or DDI in the subsequent decades.

    I am proposing this and not just running with it because it’s certainly possible that Sylvania and the DDI states would have never allowed this to go on for so long, or that perhaps historically there is no external communist state or movement externally that would have made the “red horse” prophecy possible . . or that the Rurikgrad Pact may have not bothered to invest in or risk propping up a remote state like Fiannia.
     
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    Now that I've gotten this out there I am realizing for sure it's probably not possible to pull off for decades from 195* to today, and maybe that this would have been a historical stocking stuffer for my nation's background. So instead of 70 years a communist Fiannia, perhaps only 7 and then moderation down.
     
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    I almost worry that you are so busy trying to make a nation trying to fit into other nations, you’ve not been able to do what you would like to do. Your current concept seems interesting, but it is a bit of an odd geopolitical foil to your surroundings. As you’ve suggested though, the animosity of such an ideology surrounded by the DDI would likely have placed you on footing akin to RL Cuba. The shorter term idea you have might make more sense if you are trying to avoid such hostilities, but ultimately seems like a compromise on your vision.

    Perhaps it’s worth considering letting your own wings spread out a bit and doing exactly what you’d like, even if sadly that would mean you’d have to change your geopolitical situation.
     
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    First off I want to echo Coro's sentiment. Fitting yourself in the already established historic narrative is noble, but be careful not to let that limit your creativity.

    However based on said narrative there is an issue on my end if you choose to go with 7 years of revolution rather then 70. Namely that ever since 1957 Kadikistan hasn't been actively exporting 'the revolution', but rather took up a doctrine that only defends socialism there where it was already established. This is called the Cvetković Doctrine, more of which you can find here and in my internal RPs. 70 years ago is a different story as Nikolai Leninov would have been more then willing to support an ideologically friendly state. Be it that 'ideologically similar' should be taken literally. Marxist-Leninovism is extremely sectarian in nature, hence why there are several hostile splinters over what appears at first glance as minor disagreements. Meaning Ivar would have either tried to hijack the local movement or it was already based on M-L and followed the Ivar-line.

    Alternatively you could look for other benefactors, like Serenierre.
     
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    I think it might be best to dump or rebuild the story-line of Fianna as part of Sylvania at one point in time. We could come up with many reasons as to why you remained independent after the Sylvania Pohjanmaa number one or two, but ultimately the ones I have promoted are admittedly kind of weak explanations and you don't seem to like them either. I don't think being associated with the Rurikgard Pact essentially will prevent you from being reintegrated or "liberated" and that becomes more of a problem the closer we get to the formation of the DDI.

    When we were considering the DDI it wasn't meant to be a retroactive thing, but with the ruination of RP of all of last year it was decided to go that route. You were not Fianna when it was decided and the direction of the Engellosphere related nations hadnt come to light then. So apologies for boxing you in, it was not intentional.
     
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    I enjoy finding ways for a small nation to play a part or relation to the larger nations, and Engellachia to Fiannia acutely so because it’s such a frigid territory that requires creative associations or outright control from abroad to exist. Playing an Implarian Ocean island nation was considerably easier when considering history because all I needed was colonizers and an independence date. Finding a solution for Fiannia is more complicated but I don’t want to give up yet.

    I’ll reach out to Serenniere to discuss this, the Serazine Snakes shared certain tactics and styles I was running previously with Engellachia so that may actually be viable with their Catholic Communism schtick.

    Concerning the solutions you came up with previously Sylvania I am going to reach out to you to clarify those because maybe I purged them carelessly from my mind. I’d like to come to a historical consensus so we can play normally as soon as we can.

    Thanks to Coro, Spelev, Zeke, and others off board for their input. Norse went so far as to say I should scrap and go do a Cantignia again. I’d like to keep trying to make my northern fringe nation working though for now.
     
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    I did also come up with some suggestions as to how to make your scenario work for the record though Cantignia was a personal fave of mine so yes I did suggest a potential nation swap to a location that may have you a bit more flex.

    Either way I am sure you'll come up with something decent. Perhaps Fianna could become a rogue nation of sorts as they're largely missing from RP right now.
     

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