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Greetings and salutations!

Here the general public (that's you) can submit feedback, questions, comments, and so on to the greatest nation ever created (that's me), and you (to be clear, the general public) may or may not be solicited for said feedback and/or questions by me (again, greatest nation).

This is in part to give you all a general idea about how to begin these feedback threads with a bit of humor, but it's also a sort of icebreaker for something a bit more serious on my end: I'm not changing nations away from Josepania per say, but I am going to be shifting it away from a Mexican Empire to a more Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth vibe.

I've never really... gelled I think in the New World with my nation concept. It's had a sort of New World optimism to it for sure, but it's also felt oddly out of place with its super Old World institutions and projected attitude, especially in the realm of diplomacy. Furthermore, although I've definitely had plenty of Spanish names and phrases littered throughout my RP, I've never really felt like Josepania embodied a Mexican vibe, and I was never really willing to go through the effort to make it more obviously Mexican. Rather, it just... kept doing its own thing.

So, with the recent publication of a new map, the (hopefully temporary) departure of Zeek, and some time away due to RL constraints (both pleasant with vacation and not-so-much with work), I've made a decision to shift the cultural and geographic focus of Józefania to the east and back to the Old World, while simultaneously keeping as much actual RP done as possible in order to not... ya know... break the scenario and make a lot of folk annoyed. I've already talked with some important folk this would greatly affect and have essentially gotten blessings to proceed, so stay tuned for that.

Now, with all of that said, fire away! Let me know what you like about Józefania, what you dislike, both ICly and OOCly, and what you're hoping to see more of going forward.

~Jose
 
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Are you fine with it if I reserve the international dialling codes 50, 500, 501, 502, 503 and 504 to you? Otherwise we may run out of codes :angel:
 

Are you fine with it if I reserve the international dialling codes 50, 500, 501, 502, 503 and 504 to you? Otherwise we may run out of codes :angel:
Yeah, that’s fine with me!
 
Gentlemen, salutations.

I have been speaking to numerous members individually over the course of a few weeks about a significant lore update to Józefania, something to not only explain its vehement and determined effort to stick with moderation and diplomacy, but would also provide a reasonable IC explanation for my current activity levels that'll keep me from being all that active on the international stage.

Essentially: I am planning on Józefania having a somewhat more tumultuous history from the late 18th century on to the late 20th century or so, with a French history-inspired lore of having a revolutionary republic, fascist and communist governments, all culminating in the return of the current constitutional monarchy. More specifically, I'm pondering the idea of a period during the 20th century where a three-way civil war occurs with rival ideologies (Mezhist Fascists, Mazovist Stalinists, and the liberal democratic constitutional monarchists) all fighting for control over Józefania which could involve neighboring states like the @Elfríki Federation, @Saxe-Eastphalia, and @Serbovia, along with others like @Ebria, etc.

This could have a scenario where the constitutional monarchists are quickly put on the backfoot in the civil war and driven into exile Free French and/or Dutch Kingdom style to their overseas dominions and dependencies. Simultaneously, the Józefanie royal family and nobility gets Romanov'd with only the grandparents and parents of the current King managing to survive. I've even considered the possibility of, at the culmination of the civil war, atomic bombs on the scale of Fat Man and Little Boy (in order to limit and self-contain long-term damage) being used that would contribute to the current IC nuclear ban, and would also contribute to Józefania's current policy of moderate semi-neutrality.

I'm not 100% certain yet on the timing of this time of extremism, but my tentative dates are firmly set in the WW2 era between 1935 and 1955. Initial thoughts are that it would first be the Mazovists that come to power, perhaps inspired by the communists in the @CCCR depending on the timing, and that would prompt a reaction from the Mezhists, maybe inspired by the Serbovians next door, and between the two of them they'd exile the monarchists abroad and do an Averinish-style mass murder of royals (perhaps that even inspires @Averin later on in Montelimar), but then they engage in a civil war that gets more and more brutal, culminating in the two sides exhausting each other and allowing for the exiled monarchists to return and reclaim the mainland.

I would also expect that near the end of the Cold War-esque civil war the reunified government would reclaim any territory inevitiably claimed by neighboring powers and get the modern day borders and finally some peace around 1989 or so.

In this scenario, the overseas dominions and dependencies would provide places of refuge and bases of operation for the constitutional monarchists to regroup and plan their return, and in exchange for their help they would be given rather extensive internal autonomy and equal status within the Rzeczpospolita Apostolska as a whole.

With that in mind, I've considered the possibility of expanding the overseas foothold Józefania has and claiming three additional territories that would provide an overall sufficient situation for the constitutional monarchists to regroup and plan their eventual liberation of the mainland.


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First up is notMexico, WIP name the Dominion of Święty Józef, a rump state that I have ideas of being, essentially a "what if Maximillian's Mexico managed to survive, and turned to Józefania for support to prevent it from being gobbled up by the Firesea Union to the north and the Thame Republic to the south?" I even have ideas of the current surviving branch of the Apostolic House of Grudziński surviving the dual purge of the Mezhists and Mazovists originating from here.

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Next is notCeylon/Indonesia, WIP name Dominion of Wyspa Pieprzowa. This could have been a major overseas territory acquired for establishing some control over the spice trade (and eventually led to the purchase of the small island of Qiongzhou off the coast of @YUANGUO.

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Lastly, notWest African island, WIP name Dominion of Wyspy Złota, which could have been an attempt by the Józefanie to attempt to take control of Rio de Oro from the Ebrians during one of their many, many, many wars, which very clearly did not succeed.

All of this is EXTREMELY WIP, and requires more tweaking and adjusting to fit the rest of the scenario lore and history, but I'm feeling excited and inspired by this, and hope this can be received well by all here who can provide additional context and further ideas.

~Jose
 

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Gentlemen, salutations.

This could have a scenario where the constitutional monarchists are quickly put on the backfoot in the civil war and driven into exile Free French and/or Dutch Kingdom style to their overseas dominions and dependencies. Simultaneously, the Józefanie royal family and nobility gets Romanov'd with only the grandparents and parents of the current King managing to survive. I've even considered the possibility of, at the culmination of the civil war, atomic bombs on the scale of Fat Man and Little Boy (in order to limit and self-contain long-term damage) being used that would contribute to the current IC nuclear ban, and would also contribute to Józefania's current policy of moderate semi-neutrality.

I'm not 100% certain yet on the timing of this time of extremism, but my tentative dates are firmly set in the WW2 era between 1935 and 1955. Initial thoughts are that it would first be the Mazovists that come to power, perhaps inspired by the communists in the @CCCR depending on the timing, and that would prompt a reaction from the Mezhists, maybe inspired by the Serbovians next door, and between the two of them they'd exile the monarchists abroad and do an Averinish-style mass murder of royals (perhaps that even inspires @Averin later on in Montelimar), but then they engage in a civil war that gets more and more brutal, culminating in the two sides exhausting each other and allowing for the exiled monarchists to return and reclaim the mainland.

~Jose

Just wondering (and somewhat concerned about) how all of this would factor into the existing lore about the Great War, what with Józefania having been a participant as far as we had established.

I based my own recent history and specifically the establishment of the Social-Nationalist regime with the background that there was the Great War somewhere around the 1930s and 1940s, with inconclusive but heavy fighting between Serbovia (at that time ruled by a military junta) and Józefania. Then due to the heavy military and civilian casualties, physical damage inflicted in the war and the effect of the war and reconstruction on the Serbovian economy together with a lack of any actual gains made in the war, the then-underground SocNat movement gains enough popular support to start a full-blown uprising against the former regime. That, in turn, results in a civil war dated between 1953 and 1956 (Referred to as the National Restoration War in my IC propaganda).
 
Just wondering (and somewhat concerned about) how all of this would factor into the existing lore about the Great War, what with Józefania having been a participant as far as we had established.

I based my own recent history and specifically the establishment of the Social-Nationalist regime with the background that there was the Great War somewhere around the 1930s and 1940s, with inconclusive but heavy fighting between Serbovia (at that time ruled by a military junta) and Józefania. Then due to the heavy military and civilian casualties, physical damage inflicted in the war and the effect of the war and reconstruction on the Serbovian economy together with a lack of any actual gains made in the war, the then-underground SocNat movement gains enough popular support to start a full-blown uprising against the former regime. That, in turn, results in a civil war dated between 1953 and 1956 (Referred to as the National Restoration War in my IC propaganda).
Excellent point, and I absolutely want to sync things up with that Great War between us causing both the Serbovian SocNats and Józefanie Mezhists and Mazovists to rise up and overthrow our respective governments (for Józefania at minimum exile them from the mainland). I need to re-read the lore we've established so far to that point so I can better slot this internal event in without messing up anyone else's histories and canon, but I feel like this is a good start.
 
I am willing to play a role in the war as your indirect neighbor. I'll have to make Saxe-Eastphalia more clear in its existence, which has been a plane of mine for a few weeks now... but I've not accomplished. With that done, it might be easily to figure out how that'll all work out.
 
Wait, I thought the Great War was in the 50s.

At any rate, if I'm not mistaken, we've got @Eiffelland and Jozefania on one end, which I definitely recall. Elfriki probably fought alongside @Ebria against them, IIRC. @Serbovia did we agree to fight against Jozefania before, or was it just that we were cobelligerents?

But yeah, ultimately, at least as far as outcomes go, Elfland and Eiffelland exchange nukes.. They lose a couple cities, I lose a couple cities... I do believe both have already been named in the Great War.

But in relation to the Mezhists, Mazovists, and surviving crown, I imagine Elfric involvement would have been a question, not just of a purely ideological matter of monarchy and personal freedom, but of course, the money. What kind of government would have made the best trading partner, and freedom being a major if, pragmatically speaking, secondary concern.

Because if we were purely ideological, then we wouldn't be making these great nuclear deals with Eiffelland and Serbovia (and presumably Jozefania itself).
 
I am willing to play a role in the war as your indirect neighbor. I'll have to make Saxe-Eastphalia more clear in its existence, which has been a plane of mine for a few weeks now... but I've not accomplished. With that done, it might be easily to figure out how that'll all work out.
Thank you! Yes, that would be helpful having Saxe-Eastphalia involved in some manner. Once we nail down a more specific timeline we could see how to slot you in.

Wait, I thought the Great War was in the 50s.

At any rate, if I'm not mistaken, we've got @Eiffelland and Jozefania on one end, which I definitely recall. Elfriki probably fought alongside @Ebria against them, IIRC. @Serbovia did we agree to fight against Jozefania before, or was it just that we were cobelligerents?

But yeah, ultimately, at least as far as outcomes go, Elfland and Eiffelland exchange nukes.. They lose a couple cities, I lose a couple cities... I do believe both have already been named in the Great War.

But in relation to the Mezhists, Mazovists, and surviving crown, I imagine Elfric involvement would have been a question, not just of a purely ideological matter of monarchy and personal freedom, but of course, the money. What kind of government would have made the best trading partner, and freedom being a major if, pragmatically speaking, secondary concern.

Because if we were purely ideological, then we wouldn't be making these great nuclear deals with Eiffelland and Serbovia (and presumably Jozefania itself).
You are correct: as of now the Great War that causes the nuclear exchange is currently, tentatively, set at 1950 to 1953. Re: your co-belligerency with @Serbovia, I believe that was primarily in regard to the Deluge in the 17th century, though you are correct we were belligerents in the 1950s Great War.

I'm currently thinking that a draft timeline of events should be the following:

  • 1929 to 1937: The Great Depression hits Józefania hard, leading to the rise of extremist, anti-monarchist groups including the Mezhists (perhaps partly inspired by Serbovia's military junta) and the Mazovists that grow in popularity and strength with each passing year that the monarchy is unable to solve the economic crisis;
  • 1937-1940: The Józefanie Civil War erupts with the Mezhists and Mazovists simultaneously rising up, the latter inspired by the communist revolution in the @CCCR in the same year. Initially the Mazovists are one faction in a hodgepodge of leftist groups similarly to the Spanish Republicans, and just like the Spanish Republicans, although they help the Mezhists (albeit unintentionally) in completely breaking the monarchy's hold over the mainland, the Mezhists are funded primarily by the Serbovian junta (and I imagine @Ebria would be happy to initially support the Mezhists as well because of anti-communism as well as hatred of the Józefanie monarchy), and that leads to the Mezhists also defeating the Mazovists and leftist coalition they're a part of, establishing a firmer control over the mainland of Józefania and ending the civil war with a brutal massacre of the royal family and nobility, with only a handful surviving in overseas dominions such as Aretuša;
  • 1940-1949: The Mezhist Union of Józefania (name WIP) rules the mainland with an iron fist, but they are unable to take control of the overseas territories of Józefania due to the Royal Navy declaring its unequivocal support of the monarchists and helping evacuate the grandparents of the present-day King to the Dominion of Aretuša. The Mezhists are brutal and tyrannical while in power, regularly carrying out purges of any dissidents, radicalizing the underground Mazovists who become more authoritarian and ruthless in their ideology, and are funded by the CCCR. Neighboring states such as Serbovia, Ebria, and the Elfriki Federation to varying degrees start to become antagonistic towards the Mezhists due to the latter's belligerency and demands for territorial concessions as well as continued financial aid (this could, for instance, sow the beginning seeds of the Social-Nationalists with the populace becoming unhappy with Serbovian aid to Mezhist Józefania). During this time period (assuming nukes are still canon), the Mezhists build up the military, engage in scientific technological research, and begin covertly creating nuclear weapons. Perhaps in 1949 or so, the Serbovian Junta finally has enough and declares war on the Mezhists in an attempt to recoup some of their lost treasure and popularity;
  • 1949-1950: The Mazovists, having grown in strength over the 40s due to CCCR funding and Mezhist missteps, launch their revolution and brutally overthrow the Mezhist Union, declaring the Union of Józefanie People's Republics (name WIP). Neighboring states already gearing for war with Mezhist Józefania (or already engaged in war) now declare war on the UJPR
  • 1950-1953: The Great War (Józefanie Theatre) The war waged by the UJPR is brutal and indecisive, especially on the Serbovian front, where mechanization and air forces cannot overcome the brutal terrain of mountains and rivers that bogs down both sides, which eventually leads to the Serbovian Civil War in 1953. Meanwhile with the Elfriki, although there is much maneuvering and fluid fronts, neither side is truly able to gain a decisive advantage. Eventually an exchange of nuclear weapons occurs, and it is at this point that support for the Mazovits begins to visibly collapse, coinciding with a return of the monarchists, aided by the Bourgardie and Eiffellanders. There could still be an exchange of nuclear weapons between the Eiffellanders and Elfriki as well, and it is this general exchange of nuclear weapons in 1953 that provides the primary reason for the end of the war and collapse of extremists within Józefania, the Rzeczpospolita Apostolska being restored and peace treaties signed with all neighboring states (Serbovia by 1956 at the conclusion of their own civil war).
Note: This remains a draft timeline and the dates can be shifted as needed. There also needs to be some more clarification and confirmation from other players in how they're involved, if this works with their own internal histories or not, etc. I THINK for the most part, though, this should still sync up well with the scenario, and any remaining wrinkles can be ironed out as needed.
 
It could of course also be that not Elfríki but @Józefania nuked me. Or that I was nuked both by Elfríki and by Józefania. Two cities each. Just an idea.
That's actually something that would make for good clarification. I was assuming that I would have nuked you because you were on Jozefania's side. But given how a communist government looks to be shaping up to be running things during the war... I mean, i guess the question on whether or not Elfriki nukes Eiffelland is whether or not Eiffelland was on the UJPR's side.
 
I think it looks good but feel the need to clarify in the time you're talking, The Firesea Union was (likely) apart of Oneida, though Anlyra and Vesuvia may have been independent Texas/California style republics at the time, before joining Oneida. Though the initial plan was it was apart of Oneida up until Oneida collapsed
 
Thank you! Yes, that would be helpful having Saxe-Eastphalia involved in some manner. Once we nail down a more specific timeline we could see how to slot you in.


You are correct: as of now the Great War that causes the nuclear exchange is currently, tentatively, set at 1950 to 1953. Re: your co-belligerency with @Serbovia, I believe that was primarily in regard to the Deluge in the 17th century, though you are correct we were belligerents in the 1950s Great War.


Seems to be co-belligerence between @Elfríki and Serbovia, not sure if there would have been an alliance or a power bloc of sorts in existence. I'll need to elaborate on Serbovian history of that time, but the regime at that time is a military junta backed by the then-extant social and financial elite, which is my explanation as to why an authoritarian regime eventually gets toppled by another one. In the absence of a better analogy, think of a government run by the Reichswehr generals in Weimar Germany falling to a violent revolution by the Strasserists and whatnot.

I'm currently thinking that a draft timeline of events should be the following:
  • 1929 to 1937: The Great Depression hits Józefania hard, leading to the rise of extremist, anti-monarchist groups including the Mezhists (perhaps partly inspired by Serbovia's military junta) and the Mazovists that grow in popularity and strength with each passing year that the monarchy is unable to solve the economic crisis;


  • The above (what I wrote) is also probably why the junta supporting the Mezhists doesn't really work out at least openly, but I could see unacknowledged support being given mainly as a way of weakening a traditional enemy internally.

    I could also see Serbovian Communists being an assisting party in the UJPR uprising, having found their way to Jízefania for that by whatever means after being exiled from Serbovia during the era of junta(s).

    Other than those points it seems mighty fine.
 
It could of course also be that not Elfríki but @Józefania nuked me. Or that I was nuked both by Elfríki and by Józefania. Two cities each. Just an idea.
That's actually something that would make for good clarification. I was assuming that I would have nuked you because you were on Jozefania's side. But given how a communist government looks to be shaping up to be running things during the war... I mean, i guess the question on whether or not Elfriki nukes Eiffelland is whether or not Eiffelland was on the UJPR's side.
I think the easiest solution here would be for Communist Józefania to be the one using nuclear weapons against both Eiffelland and the Elfríki Federation and getting nuked themselves, which would potentially be the catalyst that brings down the communist government to a resurgent monarchist force from the overseas dominions.
I think it looks good but feel the need to clarify in the time you're talking, The Firesea Union was (likely) apart of Oneida, though Anlyra and Vesuvia may have been independent Texas/California style republics at the time, before joining Oneida. Though the initial plan was it was apart of Oneida up until Oneida collapsed
That does need further clarification, and I was to this point primarily working off of @CCCR's history, as I understood it, where the communists took at least partial control in 1937 or so. It's not COMPLETELY needed for the Mazovists to be funded by the CCCR, just figured it would be a fun way for Jurzy to be involved with lore.
Seems to be co-belligerence between @Elfríki and Serbovia, not sure if there would have been an alliance or a power bloc of sorts in existence. I'll need to elaborate on Serbovian history of that time, but the regime at that time is a military junta backed by the then-extant social and financial elite, which is my explanation as to why an authoritarian regime eventually gets toppled by another one. In the absence of a better analogy, think of a government run by the Reichswehr generals in Weimar Germany falling to a violent revolution by the Strasserists and whatnot.

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The above (what I wrote) is also probably why the junta supporting the Mezhists doesn't really work out at least openly, but I could see unacknowledged support being given mainly as a way of weakening a traditional enemy internally.

I could also see Serbovian Communists being an assisting party in the UJPR uprising, having found their way to Jízefania for that by whatever means after being exiled from Serbovia during the era of junta(s).

Other than those points it seems mighty fine.
That's very helpful to know. The Mezhists being at least tolerated by the Serbovians works fine, and the Serbovian communists providing aid to the Mazovists would also be quite helpful.
 
That does need further clarification, and I was to this point primarily working off of @CCCR's history, as I understood it, where the communists took at least partial control in 1937 or so. It's not COMPLETELY needed for the Mazovists to be funded by the CCCR, just figured it would be a fun way for Jurzy to be involved with lore.

i mean in the 1800s as a threat to not!mexico, it would've been Oneida, not the Firesea union
 
i mean in the 1800s as a threat to not!mexico, it would've been Oneida, not the Firesea union
Oh, I misunderstood, and I was only thinking about this historical lore scenario in the mid-twentieth century.

For NotMexico (and the other potential new overseas territories), I'm still debating its inclusion (as well as awaiting further feedback from the community on whether or not it's kosher), and that would require a LOT more lore discussion on the actual feasibility of its existence
 
I think the easiest solution here would be for Communist Józefania to be the one using nuclear weapons against both Eiffelland and the Elfríki Federation and getting nuked themselves, which would potentially be the catalyst that brings down the communist government to a resurgent monarchist force from the overseas dominions.

Sounds good to me. If @Eiffelland is fine with that, I'll go with it too. Now I guess the question is how to hash out the Elfric relationship with Eiffelland with this change. Whether it's neutrality, cobelligierence, or outright alliance. But I'd assume that the Elfric relationship with the Mezhists, assuming they didn't tamp down too much on free trade, would be a lot better than with the commies. Of course if there was a bit of tamping down, it would be more ambivalent than friendly, haha.



Seems to be co-belligerence between @Elfríki and Serbovia, not sure if there would have been an alliance or a power bloc of sorts in existence. I'll need to elaborate on Serbovian history of that time, but the regime at that time is a military junta backed by the then-extant social and financial elite, which is my explanation as to why an authoritarian regime eventually gets toppled by another one. In the absence of a better analogy, think of a government run by the Reichswehr generals in Weimar Germany falling to a violent revolution by the Strasserists and whatnot.



  • Thanks for clearing that up. Co-belligierence makes sense. Now, even if there was no power bloc or alliance, if the trade was free, then at the very least, they could be pragmatic trading relationships. Depending on if or when the trade sours, then presumably we can assume a drifting apart, methinks.
 
It could of course also be that not Elfríki but @Józefania nuked me. Or that I was nuked both by Elfríki and by Józefania. Two cities each. Just an idea.

That's actually something that would make for good clarification. I was assuming that I would have nuked you because you were on Jozefania's side. But given how a communist government looks to be shaping up to be running things during the war... I mean, i guess the question on whether or not Elfriki nukes Eiffelland is whether or not Eiffelland was on the UJPR's side.

I think the easiest solution here would be for Communist Józefania to be the one using nuclear weapons against both Eiffelland and the Elfríki Federation and getting nuked themselves, which would potentially be the catalyst that brings down the communist government to a resurgent monarchist force from the overseas dominions.

Sounds good to me. If @Eiffelland is fine with that, I'll go with it too. Now I guess the question is how to hash out the Elfric relationship with Eiffelland with this change. Whether it's neutrality, cobelligierence, or outright alliance. But I'd assume that the Elfric relationship with the Mezhists, assuming they didn't tamp down too much on free trade, would be a lot better than with the commies. Of course if there was a bit of tamping down, it would be more ambivalent than friendly, haha.

I am fine with this. Also because I don't think that the Eiffelland of the 1950s (which was very conservatively religious at that time) would support Communists ;)
 
I am fine with this. Also because I don't think that the Eiffelland of the 1950s (which was very conservatively religious at that time) would support Communists ;)

In that case, perhaps our relationship has been a lot more amicable in the 20th C. Or at least, ever since the Jozefanian royal family got axed.
 
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