The New Map Critique & Discussion Thread

[Thaumantica]

After 120 pages and 1,193 posts the

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has been closed, and this is the new thread.

Typical discussion includes prospective changes to the map and comments or critique concerning the map that do not apply to the official thread. While map changes could and should be discussed here, please remember that all changes must be requested officially in the flat map thread for the changes to take effect.

 

[Crolacia]

Sorry, but I asked for btoh territories. You have me just one.

 

[Warre]

Sorry, but I asked for btoh territories. You have me just one.

We told you before he wasn't likely to give you both.

And you should post this in the future, in the map critique and discussion thread, probably.
[MENTION=1922]Crolacia[/MENTION]

 

[Thaumantica]

Yeah, in a month or so once you've established yourself in RP a bit it'd be perfectly acceptable to do an expansion.

 

[Touzen]

That's already in a fairly Slavic area - are you going for a Genoa-esque Italian Black Sea presence?

 

[Venezia]

I wouldn't know. Given that there's a very Greece-looking state further to the east, and French and Germans to the west, I'd figured it was in a good position for Italy.

 

[Havenshire]

Solaren is currently our Italy-esque state, as is Potenza. You might want the currently free white plot between those two states if you're going for pure mainland Italy, but you are of course free to go for some sort of Italian successor state in what sorta looks like our Crimea analogue.

 

[Venezia]

I was mainly going for a Venetian theme, and that region looked relevant while also not being crowded. Tricky, though, since the regions are a bit different to what was expected. Main issue with the white plot you mention is it's not conducive to any kind of seagoing history.

 

[Transabina]

I was mainly going for a Venetian theme, and that region looked relevant while also not being crowded. Tricky, though, since the regions are a bit different to what was expected. Main issue with the white plot you mention is it's not conducive to any kind of seagoing history.

Because RL Venice is totally not in a similar location, at the extreme end of the narrow Adriatic Sea... Oh... Wait...

 

[Hanseatic Republics]

I was mainly going for a Venetian theme, and that region looked relevant while also not being crowded. Tricky, though, since the regions are a bit different to what was expected. Main issue with the white plot you mention is it's not conducive to any kind of seagoing history.

It's not? I wouldn't imagine it being too much different than RL Venice as Venice is actually quite a jammed into a corner that is Austria and Slovenia. That said, the area you are gunning for isn't really as active as you might think. Not that this is a bad thing, especially if you can make that region active. So in that regard, I might suggest we allow this Italian off shoot to exist there and try to rationalize it simply for reasons of activity (Much like how RL Venice often controlled regions that were by all means, not entirely Italian when looking at forays into what is now modern Croatia. —Thus we'd expect you to role play a very multi-ethnic nation in that regard?)

Also, that "slavic" region is xbawks heug with a lot of plots. Moving German and Italian nations to inhabit the western parts of that region can only be a positive thing I'd figure.

 

[Venezia]

Maybe I'm just thinking too much of how things used to be, and expecting to be invaded from three directions for the audacity of being near somebody. That, and it seems a bit strange for 'Italy' to border 'Denmark'

It can also be rationalised, if necessary (rather than merely being arbitrary) with a Dark Ages migration, in the same manner as the Magyars moving into what is now Hungary. But I don't mind too much; I'll work with what I've got when I have it and formulate a history from there.

 

[Remuria]

Ala, please, whatever you do, don't get Coro started on that whole "Danes where there shouldn't be any Danes" thing. He'll yet again erupt into tl;dr about how Danes there is silly.

Anyway, not sure anyone will invade you. The pixels to the north belong to Engellex, who is on indefinite hiatus. Even if he returns, those pixels, he acquired them through KRIEG and, thus, kinda needs to go easy a bit before invading further through occupied territories.

Potenza might invade. I might invade. Eiffelland is too peace loving to invade. But I won't invade without Eiffelland, so in the end I won't invade.

Carentania might invade, been rather invasive lately.

 

[Venezia]

Mainly, I originally only picked the area I did because it looked like an Italy when there was an obvious Greece shaped like Greece further to the east.

 

[Warre]

Maybe I'm just thinking too much of how things used to be, and expecting to be invaded from three directions for the audacity of being near somebody. That, and it seems a bit strange for 'Italy' to border 'Denmark'

Well that strangeness is because our 'Denmark' is not really 'Denmark' so much as a Danish-nobled nation which the germans within it assimilated into being 'Danish', or really that doesn't make sense.

It can also be rationalised, if necessary (rather than merely being arbitrary) with a Dark Ages migration, in the same manner as the Magyars moving into what is now Hungary. But I don't mind too much; I'll work with what I've got when I have it and formulate a history from there.

Ultimately, you can make the migration make sense however you want, even as being a strong outpost of ancient Tibur, perhaps claiming that region as being a 'geographically and physically similar region to the root of Tibur (What we call our 'Italy/Rome')' and thus saying tons more Tiburians settled there. Alternatively, just say it's anciently apart of the Tiburan Empire and it survived the downfall without really losing it's 'Italian-ness' thanks to a strong seafaring tradition and trade with ancient Solaren, Nichtstein, and Potenza? (Our 'ethnically Tiburan States' which are clustered) as well as 'Talemantros' who claims to be 'Tiburan' also, and speaks Italian, supposedly, but has always come off more as a grecian or byzantine nation.

Infact, given the narrative Nichstein has going, it isn't hard to say or impossible to save that waves of germans, or slavs, or whatever just conquered the other, formerly Tiburan ethnically kingdoms between you and 'Ancient Tibur', and in the process either drove them out into your lands or Potenzas or whatever, or simply assimilated them. Given the nations I've seen in that general area were kind of multi-ethnic it makes enough sense for you to be where you want to be.

@I wonder why we didn't just bring this up in the map discussion thread and tag Venezia, though...?

 

[Venezia]

The real-life Venice was (on a smaller scale) a refugee state, so I quite like that idea. Of course, it's only broadly based on it rather than identical, in the case of this game, for obvious reasons.

 

[Warre]

The real-life Venice was (on a smaller scale) a refugee state, so I quite like that idea. Of course, it's only broadly based on it rather than identical, in the case of this game, for obvious reasons.

Which is why I suggested it, largely. If there was already some italian/tiburan presence in the region, refugees coming there and settling it in droves as barbarians pushed them out of the two to 3 spots between you and the nearest 'Tiburan state', it only makes sense. More so, given your region isn't exactly a bunch of marshy islands which are hard to really even build settlements on; given the Venician state was initially founded as a refugee state of Italian peninsula folks who were driven out by barbarians.

Edit: Also, just reminding, can I get a different color in the next map? I've asked before about it and I know you just forgot last time, so I'm just reminding you.

 

[Venezia]

I also do have something specific in mind to create a bit of drama and activity with the map area I asked for... particularly concerning the small area of the coast that is not Venezian. ^^#

Anyhow. Any official map-making response on this? I don't mind if the map isn't updated for a while, but I could do with a yes or no before I start writing history.

 

[Thaumantica]

I moved the 10+ discussion posts over to this thread to declutter the request area so I don't need to sort for the next update.

Anyhow. Any official map-making response on this? I don't mind if the map isn't updated for a while, but I could do with a yes or no before I start writing history.

Apologies for the delay, and yes - I plan to do an update on or by Monday.

 

[Venezia]

Alright, thanks. Any idea on the application I put in?

 

[Thaumantica]

Edit: Also, just reminding, can I get a different color in the next map? I've asked before about it and I know you just forgot last time, so I'm just reminding you.

The problem was that you asked for the color Sylvania has (close to orange) - you could either reconcile that with him or figure out a different color that currently exists somewhere else.

Alright, thanks. Any idea on the application I put in?

Worrying about invasion and warfare isn't the best way to go about choosing a plot as that's really not the culture of the "game" or community anymore (for the better I think). There are elements of warfare of course, though I think there's a greater emphasis on detailed tension or intrigue leading up to a war.

I'd highly recommend that you choose an arrangement that borders or is nearby active nations. Staying in the proximity of activity is by no means a requirement or anything, I play a nation of islands in the corner of the world with fish for neighbors - but that takes a great deal of patience and confidence (which is a struggle) in the internal/domestic RP product that can persist without daily or weekly interaction with neighbors.

Edit: Also, if you haven't already look at the globe

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Seeing how the nation will go from flat to wrapped around the globe is a big eye opener.