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VOTING: Abolition of EF Mandates

Do you support or reject Abolition of the EF Mandates, as proposed?


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Pelasgia

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ABOLITION OF THE E.F. MANDATE SYSTEM
- for self-determination, good government, and international justice -
-designed by Antonios Antoniou -

PREAMBLE
Recognizing the right of all peoples to self-determination, not merely as a nominal value, but as a substantive reality including the power to control their own society, economy, culture, and policy, both domestic and foreign;
Further recognizing that the EF Mandate System was established in a world dominated by the ashes of several great wars of the previous century, including the Meridian Sea War, and that the System, as adopted, was intended as a stepping stone to the achievement of self-determination by all administered territories;
Noting that the circumstances which led to the creation of the EF Mandate System have long since passed, the ashes of the previous century subsiding and giving birth to a new, different world, with vastly different needs and realities;
Stressing that many territories require aid in achieving self-determination and that some peoples may use their right to self-determination to choose to remain subject to a greater whole or to a more advanced power;
THE NATIONS OF EUROPE, assembled in a Forum through their duly empowered Delegates, do hereby decide, decree, and ordain as follows:

ABOLITION OF THE MANDATE SYSTEM

  • All territories currently constituted as European Forum Mandates ("EF Mandates" or "Mandates") shall be freed from that regime, which shall itself lapse and be abolished irrevocably;
  • All territories formerly constituted as Mandates shall be either granted independence or shall be subjected to an existing Nation in an arrangement to be determined by the former Mandate and the controlling power;
  • For further clarity, "arrangement" as contemplated in the previous article may mean annexation, suzerainty, protectorate, territory status, federation, or any other form of control that the two entities might agree upon;
  • The choice between the two former options shall be effected by the people of each Mandate in a referendum, which shall be carried out by the local authorities without undue delay, and, at no event, no later six (6) months after the adoption of this motion;
  • All foreign nationals resident in a Mandate shall be allowed to either choose the new nationality of the former Mandate or of their own country of origin, and they shall not be harassed if they choose to remain in or prevented from leaving the former Mandate;
  • In the event that a former Mandate chooses independence, all foreign military forces shall leave no later than six (6) months after the conclusion of the referendum; if a former Mandate chooses subjection to an existing Nation, the controlling Nation shall decide which, if any, foreign forces may remain in the former Mandate's territory;
  • No discrimination of any kind may take place against the residents of a former Mandate following its independence or subjection to control following the effecting of this new status, based on any protected characteristic such as ethnicity, religion, origin, or class.
CONCLUSION
The recent events in Thrakia and Philistaea have convinced the European Forum that the Mandate System, whatever its merits and noble intentions, is no longer capable of meeting its stated objectives. Wishing to avoid needless bloodshed, exploitation, instability, and overall inefficiency in the international order, the European Forum is determined to abolish the Mandate System forever, and to replace it with more permanent, effective, and stable arrangements.

The member states are invited to vote on the motion.
 

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Demetrio Verdugo, Representative of San José to the European Forum:

Honorable representatives,

La Gran República Archipelágica de San José votes in Support of this six-decade long overdue motion.

I yield the floor.
 

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Roland Hörschelmann, Eiffellandian Representative to the European Forum

I have to vote against this motion, because it does not stipulate what has to happen to the EF mandates while a new solution to the mandates is determined. I think it would be better to discuss that out first and then abolish the mandates, because now the mandates will end up in a legal limbo. That is something we have to prevent. Eiffelland will cooperate with abolishing the EF mandates if the EF decides to do so, but then we also have to decide what has to happen to the mandates.
 

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Roland Hörschelmann, Eiffellandian Representative to the European Forum

I have to vote against this motion, because it does not stipulate what has to happen to the EF mandates while a new solution to the mandates is determined. I think it would be better to discuss that out first and then abolish the mandates, because now the mandates will end up in a legal limbo. That is something we have to prevent. Eiffelland will cooperate with abolishing the EF mandates if the EF decides to do so, but then we also have to decide what has to happen to the mandates.

Demetrio Verdugo, Representative of San José to the European Forum:

To the Honorable Representative Roland Hörschelmann of @Eiffelland,

It is the understanding of La Gran República Archipelágica de San José that your questions are essentially answered by the following points:


  • The choice between the two former options shall be effected by the people of each Mandate in a referendum, which shall be carried out by the local authorities without undue delay, and, at no event, no later six (6) months after the adoption of this motion;
  • In the event that a former Mandate chooses independence, all foreign military forces shall leave no later than six (6) months after the conclusion of the referendum; if a former Mandate chooses subjection to an existing Nation, the controlling Nation shall decide which, if any, foreign forces may remain in the former Mandate's territory;
Specifically, the notation that referendums shall be carried out by local authorities without undue delay and no later than 6 months following the adoption of this motion. Therefore, it is implied that during this transitional period the current authorities of the Mandates would retain administrative control until the conclusion of these referendums. The Honorable Representative of @Pelasgia Antonios Antoniou is welcome to confirm or deny our interpretation of the motion as is currently presented.

I yield the floor.
 

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Nevena Vladimirovic, Serbovian Representative to the European Forum

"I do not understand the objection put forward by my esteemed Eiffellandian counterpart. The motion clearly stipulates that the existing instruments of power in the Mandates would remain in force until plebiscites about the future of each of the Mandates were to be carried out. The conditions in each of the Mandates are divergent to such a degree that a detailed roadmap on Mandatory dissolution would be impossible to draft in a manner which would be applicable to all of the Mandates in one, standard form. It is only right that this motion should only regulate the process in a general level and the details left to the discretion of each protecting power and local authorities.."
 

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Roland Hörschelmann, Eiffellandian Representative to the European Forum

I have to vote against this motion, because it does not stipulate what has to happen to the EF mandates while a new solution to the mandates is determined. I think it would be better to discuss that out first and then abolish the mandates, because now the mandates will end up in a legal limbo. That is something we have to prevent. Eiffelland will cooperate with abolishing the EF mandates if the EF decides to do so, but then we also have to decide what has to happen to the mandates.
Demetrio Verdugo, Representative of San José to the European Forum:

To the Honorable Representative Roland Hörschelmann of @Eiffelland,

It is the understanding of La Gran República Archipelágica de San José that your questions are essentially answered by the following points:


  • The choice between the two former options shall be effected by the people of each Mandate in a referendum, which shall be carried out by the local authorities without undue delay, and, at no event, no later six (6) months after the adoption of this motion;
  • In the event that a former Mandate chooses independence, all foreign military forces shall leave no later than six (6) months after the conclusion of the referendum; if a former Mandate chooses subjection to an existing Nation, the controlling Nation shall decide which, if any, foreign forces may remain in the former Mandate's territory;
Specifically, the notation that referendums shall be carried out by local authorities without undue delay and no later than 6 months following the adoption of this motion. Therefore, it is implied that during this transitional period the current authorities of the Mandates would retain administrative control until the conclusion of these referendums. The Honorable Representative of @Pelasgia Antonios Antoniou is welcome to confirm or deny our interpretation of the motion as is currently presented.

I yield the floor.
Nevena Vladimirovic, Serbovian Representative to the European Forum

"I do not understand the objection put forward by my esteemed Eiffellandian counterpart. The motion clearly stipulates that the existing instruments of power in the Mandates would remain in force until plebiscites about the future of each of the Mandates were to be carried out. The conditions in each of the Mandates are divergent to such a degree that a detailed roadmap on Mandatory dissolution would be impossible to draft in a manner which would be applicable to all of the Mandates in one, standard form. It is only right that this motion should only regulate the process in a general level and the details left to the discretion of each protecting power and local authorities.."
Antonios Antoniou, Pelasgian Representative to the European Forum

I would like to thank my colleagues from San Jose and Serbovia. Indeed, the plan intends that the authorities currently in place in each mandate conduct the referendum and remain in force until such a time as the Mandate is concluded. We think that this is the best solution to avoid disruption.
 

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Roland Hörschelmann, Eiffellandian Representative to the European Forum

Thank you all for the explanations. Then the next point. Suppose that a mandate votes for independence. It is logical that foreign troops have to leave in that case, but the deadline of six months is too short according to me. Even when a national government has been set up properly, it needs more time to settle down and prepare itself for a role on the international stage.
 
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Master Baron Boris Bakhmeteff, Tarusan Representative to EF

I think its quite clear that the representative of Eiffelland shows a better picture than the propaganda piece that was coincidentally ran about the "quality of life" that they have provided for the people of Al-Magrab. Let it be seen that they constantly paint the Empire as evil, paint the Empire as the problem. It is clear that they are terrified, terrified of the people there voting to oust them from their position of power and authority over the mandate that they treat as nothing more than a Colony. They have sat here and said that the people of Al-Magrab FEAR the Noks Free State, a state in union with the Tarusan crown, yet it is the Askari who defend the borders of the Noks Free State, not Tarusan soldiers. It is the Askari who should be afraid of the Eiffelland occupation forces across the savannah as they are outnumbered six to one.

But lets change the point without changing the point. Eiffelland can build the armed forces of Bourdignie, and provide it a functional government in just mere months, but in sixty years has been incapable of doing the same in Al-Magrab yet it can provide this astounding life that it brags about? I was not born yesterday Roland, so lets cut the bull. Al-Magrab is nothing but an EF approved colony of Eiffelland and it is afraid of losing its cheap crude oil.

As such, we obviously support the end of the mandate system as it has proven to be more burdensome to the cause than it has anything else.
 

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Roland Hörschelmann, Eiffellandian Representative to the European Forum

First, Your Grace, it is Mr. Hörschelmann to you. We don't know each other from the sandbox, school or university, so it is "Sie" or "vous" instead of "du" or "tu" for you. I would expect from a Master Baron that he would have been raised properly, and that good manners and how to behave would have been taught to him, but I'm afraid that something went wrong there in your case.

Second, the fact that you the call APwire-report about Al-Magrab a propaganda piece tells more about the reports and bulletins produced by Tarusan news channels than about the reports produced by APwire, which is an independent news source. I have news for you, Your Grace, democracies do not produce propaganda. Information provided by democratic governments are checked against the facts by independent media, like for instance APwire,, the European Press Association, or in Eiffelland all the news media, both the state-owned, which are independent as per law, and the privately owned, which are protected by the laws on freedom of the press. We in Eiffelland take the freedom of the press and the importance of fact-checking very seriously, like APwire and the EPA do. The fact that you consider the APwire-report about Al-Magrab propaganda has nothing to do with the quality of the news reports of APwire, but everything with the fact that you were exposed to such an amount of propaganda while you grew up in Tarusa that you lost the ability to distinghuish propaganda from facts.

For the situation in Al-Magrab, as the APwire report documents it, Al-Magrab has a national government and two levels of regional and local governments that are 100% run by Magrabbines. The only thing the Eiffellandians are responsible for, is Al-Magrab's foreign politics and its defence. Al-Magrab can become independent without a problem, but we think that a more thorough preparation for its debut on the international stage is needed.

For the fact that the Magrabbines fear the Noks Free State, it is really not Eiffelland's task to guard the international image of the Noks Free State, not in Al-Magrab and not anywhere else. The fact that the Noks Free State has such a bad image in Al-Magrab is really due to the way the Noks Free State presents itself to the Magrabbines.

And for the balance of power in Hymiar, we have seen how the Tarusan army acted in Pannonia, and we have seen the sinking of the Oyleric. There is nothing that guarantees the Magrabbines to be safe for a sudden Tarusan military build-up in the Noks Free State. Eiffelland will not leave Al-Magrab to the mercy of the wolves, let that be clear.
 
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[OOC: Given that a full week has passed, I am thinking of concluding the vote on this motion. Does anybody think an extension is warranted?]
 

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Antonios Antoniou, Pelasgian Representative to the European Forum:

"Given that all members have been given a chance to vote, the voting is now closed. With 8 votes in favour and 2 against, the motion to abolish EF Mandates is hereby carried. We recommend that preparations to effect this change begin immediately."
 
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