Gridline & Climate Discussion

[Rheinbund]

Thank you for your work And thank you for increasing the map's height to 4500 pixels, because now I can easily put altitude lines on it

One request though: Could you please also increase the map's width to 7200 pixels? Or maybe even better: to 9000 pixels, because then it is really a sphere.

EDIT: And now that I put some gridlines on it, I see that the continent containing Gallo-Germania shifted down quite a lot. Now suddenly Radilo is a savannah country (or maybe even tropical) instead of a mediterranean country, and I am between the 25th and 35th latitude instead of the 40th and 50th latitude

Would it be possible to shift the continent containing Gallo-Germania 100 pixels to the North? Or is it going to be too cold in Scania then?

 

[Hanseatic Republics]

Thank you for your work And thank you for increasing the map's height to 4500 pixels, because now I can easily put altitude lines on it

One request though: Could you please also increase the map's width to 7200 pixels? Or maybe even better: to 9000 pixels, because then it is really a sphere.

EDIT: And now that I put some gridlines on it, I see that the continent containing Gallo-Germania shifted down quite a lot. Now suddenly Radilo is a savannah country (or maybe even tropical) instead of a mediterranean country, and I am between the 25th and 35th latitude instead of the 40th and 50th latitude

Would it be possible to shift the continent containing Gallo-Germania 100 pixels to the North? Or is it going to be too cold in Scania then?

I'm open to this discussion... what are the opinions of others?

 

[Radilo]

I'm open to this discussion... what are the opinions of others?

I think we should keep a more traditional "European" altitude for Gallio-Germania, even if it is extended in the north and south given the continent's proportionally larger size. In terms of the northern most countries, we can justify their still moderate weather via some meteorological reason.

I dunno, just spitballing.

 

[Remuria]

We just say we're not on Earth, but in a Stellaris custom start, pre-FTL, before the whole planetary unification thing under the glorious Remurian leadership.

So we have our own climate zones where we want them.

 

[Thaumantica]

Placement on a Google globe as we did in the past or having grid lines as Eiff desires helps some players with immersion and is an aid in assessing climate, however, we would be wrong to fully slave our world to earth… I recall there was a hurricane IRL on earth and we in that region agreed to RP a hurricane at the same time and that went fine mostly.

We could use this as an immersive guideline but I am sure some players will not be keen on following exact parallels of climate or weather patterns or that if this were added it would change what they envisioned so we must allow flexibility and not suddenly institute climate/weather moderation where it would not have been necessary in the past.

 

[Rheinbund]

It is impossible to completely slave ourselves to earth climate-wise, because that would be too complex. But apart from that, I myself have a bit of a problem to RP a country with a four-season climate including snow in Winter and a massive skiing area while being situated on Florida's altitude.
Furthermore, I have the feeling that we are RPing Northern Hymiar as our Sahara, but Northern Hymiar is situated around the equator, so it would probably be a rain forest instead of a massive hot sandbox.

Apart from that, we are also talking about differences in day light duration, and something like

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. Something you can use for setting an athmosphere in a post.

My preference would be to shift the continent with Gallo-Germania on it and Hymiar 250 pixels to the North, because on our map 250 pixels North or South corresponds with 10 degrees latitude. But I can imagine that Scania is too high on the map in that case, so I am also fine with it if the shift to the North is 125 pixels (i.e. 5 degrees latitude).

Herewith the map with gridlines, by the way.

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[Tarusa]

You have a mountainous area in the southern/central part of Rheinbund. It would be situated in a *close* proximity to the latitude of the equivalent of Lake Tahoe & Sierra nevadas. Your also very Mediterranean so radical season differential probably wouldn't exist except in the altitudes. From what I can see on your own map with the Lats that most nations are about in the climate range they have envisioned themselves as being. Noks is a savannah in the Northern part and dense jungle from about the midway point south. Maghreb, is a combination of savannah & desert, not such a hotbox as the Sahara., but more like Northern Libya.

One also must take into consideration, our world is not shaped as similar continental wise as earth nor geographically, so climate patterns would be most likely shifted some as well.

 

[Ebria]

I used to support this whole idea, but nowadays, I am more like giving general climatic areas assigned to zones.

I always imagined something like this:​

• Federation - Canada;​
• Everything south up to Implaria - USA;​
• Implaria to Gran Occidentia - Mexico and Central America;​
• Everything in Occidentia - Latin America;​
• Cantignia (Nonestica) - Australia;​
• Scania - Scandinavia;​
• Gothic Sea - Baltic Sea;​
• Germania - where Salen and the Hansa is, pretty much Central - Northern Europe;​
• Gallia - around where Neustria is and up to the Ebrian Border, Western Europe (From Benelux to France)​
• Thaumantica and Prydain - British Isles;​
• Ebria, Rheinbund, Remuria, Radilo, Caelia and the Meridian Sea - the Mediterranean nations and sea;​
• Propontis and Isphilisteia - the Levant;​
• Al-Magrab, Hajr, Rio de Oro- Maghrebian; ​
• Noks - More like the Niger River Valley and where the Sahel meets the Jungle;​
• Rio de Oro - West Sahara/Mauritania; Natal - Senegal and the Sahel;​
• Dune Sea - Namibia​
• Tarusa - Russia (going from the Baltic in the west to the Caucasus in the southernmost point and stopping midway in Siberia in its easternmost point)​
• Polesia, Serbovia, Thrakiya - Balkans and Turkey;​
• Karzasy - Kazakstan and the other Central Asian stans;​
• A-S - going from midway Siberia and the Tarim basin to its westernmost points, going all the way to the other half of Siberia, northern China and Japan;​
• Tianlong - Central and Southern China, more like what if China was situated in Indochina;​

I don't think I'm faraway from how many people imagined their nations, and even if its maybe not fully respective of geography, I think it falls very well with ethnic clustering rules, as much of the culture of a people is defined by its environment and so on, so people do kinda fall in quite decent areas. Now, with border zones, like Rheinbund, one can imagine that they are just Mediterranean Germans (cursed), like as if the Lombards continued to exist on Italian shores. Moving everything 10 degrees north, will pretty much make most of Tarusa a big Lapland and it will make Ebria to be temperate, so no citrus, no olives, no nice weather. Plus, if you want skying, one can find skying even in the deep south, like the

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, which is situated in deepest Andalusia, close to Granada. And that is only at 3,500 metres, wheres your mountains on the border with Remuria are pretty much the Alps.​

 

[Rheinbund]

The RL Sierra Nevada skiing resort is at 37 degrees altitude. The Wildspitze on our RP map is at 27 degrees altitude.

Then for the RL Lake Tahoe in California and Nevada, that is at 39 degrees altitude.

I looked up a map of the Mediterranean Sea, with altitude indications:

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As you can see on this map, RL Spain with its olive trees is between 36 and 44 degrees altitude. Ebria on our RP map is between 30 and 40 degrees altitude.

A 10 degrees shift may be a bit much, but a 5 degrees shift would place Ebria at the altitude of RL Spain.

There is also an alternative: Lowering the equator. I have no time right now to draw that out; I will do that later today.

I will also post an old map with gridlines later today.

 

[Thaumantica]

Moved these non-request discussion posts to clean up the map request thread.

 

[Karzask]

Herewith the map with gridlines, by the way.

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I honestly like this layout, it matches with what I envisioned for 'the lay of the land'.

I used to support this whole idea, but nowadays, I am more like giving general climatic areas assigned to zones.

I always imagined something like this:​

• Gothic Sea - Baltic Sea;​
• Germania - where Salen and the Hansa is, pretty much Central - Northern Europe;​
• Gallia - around where Neustria is and up to the Ebrian Border, Western Europe (From Benelux to France)​
• ...​
• Tarusa - Russia (going from the Baltic in the west to the Caucasus in the southernmost point and stopping midway in Siberia in its easternmost point)​
• Polesia, Serbovia, Thrakiya - Balkans and Turkey;​
• Karzasy - Kazakstan and the other Central Asian stans;​

​

1. Salen I had imagined to be somewhat Benelux/Northwest Germany in terms of climate, so I'd guess that corresponds with your estimation.
2. Karzask would be a bit more diverse, with indeed landscapes and climate as in Central Asia, but also much more like the wider Xinjiang area (PRC), Altai (Russian Federation) and some more Siberian traits closer to Tarusa - or cf. Russia's Far East.

 

[Rheinbund]

But now take a look at the Little Liesel map with gridlines.

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Because this map is only 4000 pixels high, I could not paint in altitude lines at 10 degrees distance, because then I would have to paint them in at distances of 222.22222222 pixels, which cannot be done. Therefore, they are at 11 degrees 15 minutes distance, corresponding with 250 pixels distance.
Based on this map, I would conclude that the Rheinbund is between 40 and 50 degrees altitude, i.e. partly Mediterranean and partly temperate. It would also place Ebria between 42 and 52 altitude, so indeed the lower 1/3 of Ebria was Mediterranean while its upper part was temperate. Salen, however, was above the North Pole Circle.

Now back to the present map.

An alternative approach to applying gridlines and determining climate zones could be to presume that our map does not show the complete world. Below an example, in which it is presumed that everything below 60 degrees South is not shown. There may be an Antarctica, but we never go there, because it is too cold, or litterally hic sunt dracones.

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This map places Ebria at the same altitude as RL Spain. Radilo will be at the 30th altitude, and I have my mountains at the altitude of the Sierra Nevada. The only thing is, that Salen is at RL Denmark's altitude.

We could also presume that our map only shows everything between 80° North and 40° South. I will draw that out later this week.

@Tarusa @Ebria @Jydsken-Østveg @Karzask @Thaumantica

 

[Tarusa]

Getting too in depth at it and a little too deep down the rabbit hole eiffel. The way @Ebria views it is about how most of us view it I believe and why we had chosen our spots not only for ethnic reasoning but climatology reasoning.

If we went too deep down the rabbit hole many different presumptions could be made about climates, weather patterns etc etc as our world does not resemble the real world for continental positioning so a lot of the factors into meteorology and climatology would be all guesses on so many different levels that are so complex we'd all need to get some PhD's in climatology, and even then we'd never agree.

 

[Rheinbund]

I didn't go that deep into the rabbit hole.

And eh, what you apparently do not see by comparing the previous map with the current one, is that the continent containing Gallo-Germania used to be 20 degrees higher on the map than now. Based on that, I RPed to be between 40 and 50 degrees altitude, but now I suddenly have to RP a savannah, because now I am between 20 and 30 degrees altitude.

 

[Remuria]

Just assume there's an Antarctica somewhere down there and RP at the altitude you want

 

[Karzask]

But now take a look at the Little Liesel map with gridlines.

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Because this map is only 4000 pixels high, I could not paint in altitude lines at 10 degrees distance, because then I would have to paint them in at distances of 222.22222222 pixels, which cannot be done. Therefore, they are at 11 degrees 15 minutes distance, corresponding with 250 pixels distance.
Based on this map, I would conclude that the Rheinbund is between 40 and 50 degrees altitude, i.e. partly Mediterranean and partly temperate. It would also place Ebria between 42 and 52 altitude, so indeed the lower 1/3 of Ebria was Mediterranean while its upper part was temperate. Salen, however, was above the North Pole Circle.

Now back to the present map.

An alternative approach to applying gridlines and determining climate zones could be to presume that our map does not show the complete world. Below an example, in which it is presumed that everything below 60 degrees South is not shown. There may be an Antarctica, but we never go there, because it is too cold, or litterally hic sunt dracones.

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This map places Ebria at the same altitude as RL Spain. Radilo will be at the 30th altitude, and I have my mountains at the altitude of the Sierra Nevada. The only thing is, that Salen is at RL Denmark's altitude.

We could also presume that our map only shows everything between 80° North and 40° South. I will draw that out later this week.

@Tarusa @Ebria @Jydsken-Østveg @Karzask @Thaumantica

I didn't go that deep into the rabbit hole.

And eh, what you apparently do not see by comparing the previous map with the current one, is that the continent containing Gallo-Germania used to be 20 degrees higher on the map than now. Based on that, I RPed to be between 40 and 50 degrees altitude, but now I suddenly have to RP a savannah, because now I am between 20 and 30 degrees altitude.

Couldn't you just "cut" some of the bottom of that map, since it's only ocean? Get rid of some pixels and ad a south- and north pole. If the ratio needs to be altered, ad or remove some width too? Too simple a suggestion perhaps.

 

[Rheinbund]

Couldn't you just "cut" some of the bottom of that map, since it's only ocean? Get rid of some pixels and ad a south- and north pole. If the ratio needs to be altered, ad or remove some width too? Too simple a suggestion perhaps.

Then I'm suddenly at the equator

Anyway, I'll presume to be between the 35th and the 43th altitude, with a mediterranean climate, although it can be quite cold during Winter in my high mountains and in the Northeast.