OOC: Sereno Silenzio

[Holy Frankish Empire]

Agreed. This happened far too often in Classic where everyone and his uncle, as said, had at least the defense budget the size of United States. I was hoping the new DB rules would reduce it but eh.

Well, so far I really havent seen any issues. I think a fair number of veterans from classic have observed this as well and are RPing as such. I have, for example, made my air force somewhat archaic and downsized my army. I think we are all aware of the issues and many of the vets have tried our best to start rectifying them.

However, I am not necessarily talking about DB. I am addressing the fact that people are getting into wars on the flimsiest casus belli.

No offense Wiese, but a good example of this was the Kadikistan conflict between myself and Kadikistan. Wiese appeared to be attempting to get involved for no reason other than he bordered us.

In this conflict, I really dont see how 5 nations can be directly involved against Meribia unless it is an alliance action. Even then the entire alliance would need a CB which I dont really see as being realistic

 

[Mergogne]

let's not get into a large discussion about war RP right now

 

[Austurland]

let's not get into a large discussion about war RP right now

I suggest locking the thread to prevent this.

 

[Radilo]

If It would help at all I could jump in for meribia... it might not make much sense but I could use it as a move to start establishing some kind of power base. Of course i'm rping a smaller nation now so again I don't know if it'll do anything.

This is like when me and cap-ebola tried to have a war three years ago and the plug was pulled because the whole of alliances ended up getting entangled.

 

[Aquitania]

Now I am glad I didn't get involved in this, though I would have perferred a little more run-up to the war, some preparation RP. On the old forum, the Solaren Crusades, there was a lot of RP before the first shot was even fired, which was a more enjoyable read then the war itself.

 

[Thaumantica]

though I would have perferred a little more run-up to the war, some preparation RP.

Surely agreeing with this, but the point could be made that Anti-Communism has been boiling for so long that Coronado is just the first to utilize the burn.
Now that this RP has no chance to proceed along a 'normal' path, at least try to come up with a interesting alternative like Perk suggested.

It would be impossible and unpopular for my nation to contribute any vast mass of force, and as I have it pictured now - one hundred or less volunteers funded privately would enter in to this conflict near the outset.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

Meribia does not need anyone jumping in, he just needs to get his stuff together and stop thinking that it's either "total victory" or "total defeat". This is not a WW2-esque conflict, this is a regional war over regional conflicts and it is altogether unlikely that a nation of 35 million occupies a nation of more than a 100 million. Furthermore, the support Coronado has is, as far as I have seen, no total involvement of any nation, but merely some expedition forces and some material and propagandistic aid.

In other words: Meribia either needs a good war strategy and he can easily overwhelm his enemy. Or he needs to accept a minor defeat and lose some territory or money or whatever Coronado seeks to win in this conflict.

And realize that wars shouldn't be about OOC winning, but about the developement of IC conflicts and the establishment of power spheres and regional influence and importance. If anything, this is a chance for Meribia to show how his nation works and how it copes with foreign aggression.

 

[Caelia]

In my expert opinion unless someone directly in the region jumps in the conflict will probably be over before any significant forces can be moved to Coronado. A successful overseas deployment takes many months, a modern war is going long by the second month.

So relax. Take a deep breath. Find a warmod.

Incidentally I thought we had agreed if someone left/refused to RP they would automatically lose the war.

 

[Austurland]

TBH I was planning on supporting Meribia. but it seams like im too late.

I know it would be unusually for an AGE member to support such a regime as Meribia, but if Coronado pulled this win off it would challenge my position as a regional power. And by helping Meribia drag out the war it would waste the time and resources of both Meribia and Coronado, frhter ensuring they couldn't threaten my status. Also a weak and distracted Meribia means Batavia is shit out of luck when the AGE moves against him.

So please Meribia Come back youve got friends.

 

[Polesia]

I was about to post something in the CoN forum about this and if we had an IRB forum, begin planning :

 

[Beautancus]

but if Coronado pulled this win off it would challenge my position as a regional power.

Umm...what status as a regional power? And since when? You might be a stable country IC, but so far as I know, Austurland has had very little impact on the greater history of Europe. Also, "powers" have spell-check. Aside from that, and if Meribia does come back- please do support him, quite openly. We'll all be sure exactly how power is, and is not distributed in the Middle-West.

But going back to what Kyiv mentioned, especially in regards to Fleur's melodrama, I think I was the first of the player's actually coming to Velen's aid, and even so, all that was being sent immediately were Private Military Companies, who, at least for the most part in RL- are mainly focused on occupation duties, freeing up regular Coronadic military units for pushing on. That, and supplies.

I do seriously hope that Meribia reconsiders his departure, but if he doesn't, I would say that it would seem right for the situation to be dealt with in the same way that it was dealt with when Taley bailed on Wazi back in the LAN vs. VP days.

 

[Miroslavl]

It's not that I didn't like the idea of being on the losing side - I'd already planned for possibly losing Reza to Coronado anyway - it's that the IRB is so disorganized right now (largely due to the fact that we've been repeatedly denied a forum) and already threatened by the AGE that Meribia has no allies it can realistically call upon, and facing any sort of multinational coalition all alone pretty much means I lose automatically. And if half a dozen nations really ARE going to all jump me at once, there's no real sense in RPing it out.

Besides, as I've already been told on IRC, I kinda suck at RPing in the first place and should just leave and let Coron win. I've had so many RL troubles popping up over the past few months I haven't had enough time to devote to RPing in the first place anyway, and it's showed.

So void the RP or fast-forward it, whichever. I'll just save what I did manage to write on Meribia for posterity's sake and get out of everyone's way.

Edit: And I'm done. Good luck, guys.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

What kind of multinational coalition? One remarkably smaller nation and a bunch of others who send the first nation supplies. That hardly qualifies as multinational coalition that will completely gobble you up.

 

[Vittoria]

Did it not occur to you that the entire map might've all declared war on you after your nuclear screwery? Nuclear weapons are no light issue after the NORTHEAST of CLASSIC.

 

[Radilo]

Well this is being shot straight to hell... Just watching this all unfold is rediculus. It would be nice for some really agressive rping, but we need to keep it nice.

 

[Caelia]

Ok stop now. This thread is already at capacity for fail.

 

[Hesperia]

I see NSeurope's still got it: OOC drama starts on page 2, <3 you guys

Besides, as I've already been told on IRC, I kinda suck at RPing in the first place and should just leave and let Coron win.

Dude, don't listen to them. The only thing you can do that sucks is quitting.

As everybody's tried to explain, you're mostly just facing Coronado, a nation considerably smaller than Meribia. The worst you're facing is a limited territorial loss. And that's only if you don't take the proper strategy. Really, you should just go for it. I've seen you RP a nasty war outnumbered before, and you didn't do bad. So give it a shot, will ya?

Oh, and the IRB'll have a forum by tomorrow. I just kinda forgot how to create a proper alliance forum, is all

 

[Cúlanor]

Oh, and the IRB'll have a forum by tomorrow. I just kinda forgot how to create a proper alliance forum, is all

Lol so... How about this?

 

[Hesperia]

Done, Batavië just hasn't been on yet. I could make someone else group leader if you wish.

 

[Caelia]

:shame:

WRONG THREAD KAPI