The Old Map Critique & Discussion Thread

[Great Engellex]

Keeping both in some way would be good for terms of reference.

Keeping the continent names is a plus I feel. I also like the sea names and would like to see more if possible.

I will reintroduce once I've been able to play around with those names.

I'd prefer if Preuti-Borussia was replaced by Gallia-Germania if it's kept. It is, after all, used much more (as in, by more players).

The advanced search shows 30 post results for 'gallia-germania' and 114 for 'preuti-borussia', just to say.

I like it, except Northern Himyar is very small compared to the others - Touzen is huge and Eurodisney has a zoom-in feature. Also, Western islands are extremely tiny.

The Himyari players were offered the chance to increase their borders and incorporate more of Himyar to reflect what is reasonably felt as the size of their countries, I had hoped that may have been considered, if only to have Himyar appear less empty, but nobody was interested.

Also, I do agree on the western islands, perhaps at some point - if Occidentia picks up in activity - a zoom-in feature could be introduced for that region of islands.

 

[Frescania]

You are right, I somehow forgot about that.

I guess I will have to live with being a extremely small nation.

 

[Wieserreich]

The advanced search shows 30 post results for 'gallia-germania' and 114 for 'preuti-borussia', just to say.

It also finds 500 results with either Gallia or Germania used (search with the keywords Gallia OR Germania). By comparison, Gallia-Germania finds me 24 results, Preuti OR Borussia finds 74 results, and Preuti-Borussia finds 57 results for me.

Just because people don't call it "Gallia-Germania" but "Gallia" and "Germania" does not mean it is less used.

 

[Great Engellex]

It also finds 500 results with either Gallia or Germania used (search with the keywords Gallia OR Germania). By comparison, Gallia-Germania finds me 24 results, Preuti OR Borussia finds 74 results, and Preuti-Borussia finds 57 results for me.

Just because people don't call it "Gallia-Germania" but "Gallia" and "Germania" does not mean it is less used.

But YOU said Gallia-Germania, not Gallia and Germania.

Also, learn to take a joke.

 

[Wieserreich]

I take both jokes as well as my facts straight with equal impunity.

 

[The Federation]

Oh god I am so huge. Fear my xbawx hueg nation, statists!

 

[Hanseatic Republics]

Well time to voice some of my concerns.

There is far too much empty land area. We drastically shrunk all the areas where players were active in exchange for emptiness. Seems quite silly to me. Are we supposed to now go fight for colonial encounters or something? The mass is so empty it will never be filled with individual active players, ESPECIALLY if we follow trends where nobody wants to roleplay an African, Arabian, Latin American, nation. In some ways this feels like a step backwards in terms of molding the map towards the needs of the community, and rather molding it towards the desires of select players or aesthetics. I can't help but notice that the entire world got smaller unless you were in Touyou or the Occident.

With the changes some things got oddly placed. For example the Gulf of Terrastania, isn't really a gulf anymore. If anything it's closer to a bay, like the Bay of Biscay. I begrudgingly continue to voice my opinion that the Occident does not look good south of West March and would be hard pressed to find new nations interested in moving there over other locations.

 

[Remuria]

I want to have a colony in the sapce of emptiness!

Danmark, will you give me a port where I can have battleships and aircraft carriers and dreadnoughts(naughts, whatever)?

 

[Ivernia]

Personally I was in support of the map-shrink in regards to Eurodisney. To be honest everyone in Eurodisney was Rp'ing like their nation was about the size of a RL european country. Only problem was by old map distances our countries were truly collossal. Ivernia for example was similar in size and shape to Turkey.

I feel like this map more closely resembles how we were acting anyways. The emptyness does suck, but I think the design of this map is more geographically sound?

The only personal thing I had is that South Occidentia is gone and I was thinking of doing an Ivernish Argentina-like colony. But then whatevs.

 

[Clarenthia]

I echo a few concerns for this map.

1. Lots, lots of empty space. It almost sends the message that we're in an era of colonization, especially in Himyar. I don't really have a solution for this and I am aware that we were consulted on whether or not we wanted to expand our borders. I think some work could still be done on Himyar.

2. The shrinking. Comparing this map to the old map, it would seem that the Himyari States and the states in Eurodisney have been shrunk. Yujin, the Mezhist Union, and Miroslav all look like they've been given quite the increase in size. I don't know if it's just me, but it does look like the sizes of our nations were changed.

Just my two cents

 

[Danmark]

I want to have a colony in the sapce of emptiness!

Danmark, will you give me a port where I can have battleships and aircraft carriers and dreadnoughts(naughts, whatever)?

I'm not sure if you are being serious here or not, but Westsachsen having a navy in a Danish port wouldn't be new in the sense that Potenza already bases his merchant fleet there (as well as in Engellex). You'd be like RL Bolivia or Switzerland...

 

[Wieserreich]

I'm not sure if you are being serious here or not, but Westsachsen having a navy in a Danish port wouldn't be new in the sense that Potenza already bases his merchant fleet there (as well as in Engellex). You'd be like RL Bolivia or Switzerland...

It gets better. His navy would be commanded by Augsburg.

Ocean bases for merchant marines are overrated anyhow. My merchant ports might be riverbound, but the Elbe-Donau-Rhein network means they can slip from the north to the south just by switching from oceangoing to rivergoing vessels. HA!

 

[Danmark]

Lol, I thought you had no interest in navies? However, I could engineer some IC agreement.

 

[Wieserreich]

I don't, but if my vassals insists I will gladly command it.

 

[Danmark]

Vassal? I feel sad.

 

[Havenshire]

Tell me vere you keep zie nuklear vassals.

 

[Wieserreich]

I echo a few concerns for this map.

1. Lots, lots of empty space. It almost sends the message that we're in an era of colonization, especially in Himyar. I don't really have a solution for this and I am aware that we were consulted on whether or not we wanted to expand our borders. I think some work could still be done on Himyar.

2. The shrinking. Comparing this map to the old map, it would seem that the Himyari States and the states in Eurodisney have been shrunk. Yujin, the Mezhist Union, and Miroslav all look like they've been given quite the increase in size. I don't know if it's just me, but it does look like the sizes of our nations were changed.

Just my two cents

Agreed, actually.

 

[Danmark]

Tell me vere you keep zie nuklear vassals.

De nucleaire schepen?

 

[Remuria]

Vassal? I feel sad.

I am zee vassal now due to the awesome retcon of rebootiness.

 

[Great Engellex]

Well time to voice some of my concerns.

There is far too much empty land area. We drastically shrunk all the areas where players were active in exchange for emptiness. Seems quite silly to me. Are we supposed to now go fight for colonial encounters or something?

Sure, if you want to do that. Why not?

The mass is so empty it will never be filled with individual active players, ESPECIALLY if we follow trends where nobody wants to roleplay an African, Arabian, Latin American, nation.

That is something we will simply have to live with, I cannot see that ever changing. If the strict absence/greening rule was still enforced the map would be even more empty.

In some ways this feels like a step backwards in terms of molding the map towards the needs of the community, and rather molding it towards the desires of select players or aesthetics. I can't help but notice that the entire world got smaller unless you were in Touyou or the Occident.

No, it did get smaller. It was scaled to reflect what was discussed as realistic proportions. The only thing that was changed that was not due to proportions was Southern Occidentia, it was NEVER RPed upon, so I proposed to sink it; in the event that there is strong community interest for that continent, then I am sure someone can bring it back.

With the changes some things got oddly placed. For example the Gulf of Terrastania, isn't really a gulf anymore. If anything it's closer to a bay, like the Bay of Biscay.

People are free to propose and counter-propose ideas.

I echo a few concerns for this map.

1. Lots, lots of empty space. It almost sends the message that we're in an era of colonization, especially in Himyar.

If colonising Himyar will create RP storylines and fill space, I shall not disapprove.

I don't really have a solution for this and I am aware that we were consulted on whether or not we wanted to expand our borders. I think some work could still be done on Himyar.

I am aware some players have now taken notice to what was being said to them by me for almost or over a month? and I do not oppose additional changes, but I will say that I want to spend more time RPing than doing the map - as I don't have as much free time anymre, and I really miss RPing.

2. The shrinking. Comparing this map to the old map, it would seem that the Himyari States and the states in Eurodisney have been shrunk.

Correct.

Yujin, the Mezhist Union, and Miroslav all look like they've been given quite the increase in size.

In-correct.