Tibur and Jerusalem

[Holy Frankish Empire]

So I was thinking about the community and I think we should create two NPC's.

Jerusalem- Frankly for the sake of Christianity, I think we could benefit from it. It could be created as a Zionist state, Republic, or even a Crusader Kingdom. I think a small state on the map would do. It would be totally NPC and would simply exist out of necessity.


Tibur- Since we all reference Tibur in some way shape or form, I suggest the creation of a small Tiburan state that would also be NPC and be home to the Pope. I think Tibur could be quite small, maybe even a city-state.



Thoughts?

 

[Taley]

i think instead of creating NPCs why not just pick a fixed point for those two cities and mark them regardless of who is there. IF someone wants to rp the territory with those cities then they can work those into their concepts.

 

[Holy Frankish Empire]

i think instead of creating NPCs why not just pick a fixed point for those two cities and mark them regardless of who is there. IF someone wants to rp the territory with those cities then they can work those into their concepts.

I am thinking very very small NPCs would be better. Then there is no evolution and change of history or whatever. They can simply exist as we need them to. Giving somebody defacto control over them is a mistake I think.

 

[Rheinbund]

I totally agree with Bourgogne regarding this. For the sake of continuity, I think we should have these two small NPCs as he suggests. It works all fine when somebody wants to RP the Holy See, but as soon as he decides to RP something else, we have the same problem of a lack of location of our Vatican again. Therefore, it is better to have two NPCs representing the "Vatican" of our Tiburan Catholic Church and the Holy Land.

 

[Taley]

i dis-agree with the NPCs. Simply place a dot on where we want these cities to be and mark them, just like our capitals, regardless it that spot is occupied or not. These markers then become a fact of rp and cannot be moved. IF someone wants to rp at the surrounding spot (if it is presently unoccupied) they will have to then incorporate the fact of those cities into their RP. If they go inactive, then green them and leave the city marker, that way we are not dependent on a player for Jerusalem or Tibur, but also not creating random NPCs that disfigure the map.

I would also consider adding the cities of Mecca and Medina (or our renamed versions if we did that) to the list of fixed cities for any future rp with muslims.

 

[Holy Frankish Empire]

I have created a poll for the sake of voting. Please alert others to vote

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[Rheinbund]

[MENTION=32]Talemantros[/MENTION]: Placing Tibur and the Holy Land on the map as given places and giving new users the possibillity to RP them is a viable option to me as well, as long as Tibur and the Holy Land are on the map permanently. I also agree with your suggestion to add Medina and Mecca to the map.

 

[Holy Frankish Empire]

Everyone who RP's here please be sure to vote so we can see where we stand.

 

[Kadikistani Union]

[MENTION=32]Talemantros[/MENTION]: Placing Tibur and the Holy Land on the map as given places and giving new users the possibillity to RP them is a viable option to me as well, as long as Tibur and the Holy Land are on the map permanently. I also agree with your suggestion to add Medina and Mecca to the map.

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Also new players with less RP background might not provide quality. That's why I suggest we put a higher criteria on getting those mapspots. This, though, wouldn't even be an issue with NPC's, that's why I remain undecided.

 

[Gouw Marken]

Holy See... it is damn difficult over here... because nobody agrees on the foundations of it all: if there is a Holy See or a Pope there must be a common history, there must be only one catholicism (otherwise it is protesantism) and there must be interaction between the catholics of the local church (played by the player who runs the country) and the Holy See. Be it a loyal or a difficult relationship, the Holy See, the Pope or in this case Tibur, has a certain influence on the catholic community in a country. As simply putting them on the map as NPC doesn't create any chance on RP, I do not like that option. As putting them somewhere on the map makes someone "owner" of them without any background RP doesn't bring us any closer, I do not like that option either. Or we have a RP'd Pope, or we have none. Or we have one Catholic Church with (some) influence IF a country has catholics, or we have our local churches without a global Pope or wathever. That's what I think. So I like to add to the poll "none of both suggestions".

 

[Holy Frankish Empire]

Holy See... it is damn difficult over here... because nobody agrees on the foundations of it all: if there is a Holy See or a Pope there must be a common history, there must be only one catholicism (otherwise it is protesantism) and there must be interaction between the catholics of the local church (played by the player who runs the country) and the Holy See. Be it a loyal or a difficult relationship, the Holy See, the Pope or in this case Tibur, has a certain influence on the catholic community in a country. As simply putting them on the map as NPC doesn't create any chance on RP, I do not like that option. As putting them somewhere on the map makes someone "owner" of them without any background RP doesn't bring us any closer, I do not like that option either. Or we have a RP'd Pope, or we have none. Or we have one Catholic Church with (some) influence IF a country has catholics, or we have our local churches without a global Pope or wathever. That's what I think. So I like to add to the poll "none of both suggestions".

We have had a commonly established Tiburan Catholic Church which I think a fair number of people here have referenced in RP for some time now. Then there is the 'splinter' Twentish Catholic church.

 

[Kadikistani Union]

I have decided that I should give new RP'ers a chance. That is why I shall equalize the poll score.

May it provide much potential

 

[Rheinbund]

I still think we need locations on the map indicating Tibur with a small Papal State around it, the Holy Land, and Mecca plus Medina.

And regarding the "one Catholic Church", there are also the

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[Taley]

I still think we need locations on the map indicating Tibur with a small Papal State around it, the Holy Land, and Mecca plus Medina.

And regarding the "one Catholic Church", there are also the

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still think we only need city markers to mark these cities, as the holy land is not an independent state it does not need more than city markers.

 

[Twente]

Tibur(Rome) should be in the former Tiburtina area(003), shouldn't it?

I'm not sure if a Holy Land needs to be on our map. I'm not opposing it, though.
Rather than a Holy Land, I feel Catholics have enough possibility's with Sacred Lands particular to their own sects, as the Saxon Catholic Church has in Twente. It would help, of course, if our map and world would be limited to the scope of a continent rather than the entire globe, as it used to be in the olden days...call me old fashioned This would would alleviate us from having the need of a Holy Land, as we could refer to it as some place outside of the boundaries of our map and vision.

 

[Taley]

As the new mapmaker here is how i will be addressing Tibur and Jerusalem and other holy cities.

In the next update Tibur (Rome) will be in G4, Jerusalem will be in H2. Mecca and Medina will be some where in Himyar (TBD). Those cities will appear as city markers, just like our capitals and will be fixed, regardless of if the map spot is occupied or not.