The Old Map Critique & Discussion Thread

Khalistan · Feb 11, 2011

@Warre: I did move it closer, but here is another. Any closer and it will be swimming distance.

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@Hajr: You are in the same relative place as you have always been, just that Eurasia has been moved a little further west.

Warre · Feb 11, 2011

Khalistan, I meant Boreas itself. The placement within the map in it's original form [as in the one which Sinhai has most recently made] is perfectly fine distance wise, and that's the distance it should be from Nordea and Scanogermania, moving it further west and moving Breotonia and Helena and Nordea further west won't make up for it, you've destroyed the Fisherman's Sea in your last incarnation, and while making the Scanogermanian coast more open, you've done little beyond that.

And as a note, being within 'swimming distance' is sort've the intent I'm implying, island hopping would have been necessary for the history that we've gotten written, honestly. Unless the age of sail came way early, that's the only plausible thing. Srsly, just leave Boreas and Scanogermania/the Great Sea Islands alone, for the purposes of the rework.

Khalistan · Feb 11, 2011

Here is a overlay of the Prop 8 and the current official map, centered on sea between Warre & Arendaal/Batavia/Eireann/Free Union. The distance is the same.

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Mergogne · Feb 11, 2011

am i gonna have to redraw my map? :sad:

Khalistan · Feb 11, 2011

Kryobaijan said:
am i gonna have to redraw my map? :sad:

Maybe not so much, here is a map overlay centered in Eurasia

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Here is one centered on Hajr.

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Except for the world being bigger, not all that much has really changed.

Warre · Feb 11, 2011

The distance we're talking isn't solely from Warre. I'm talking Boreas as a whole, and you /did/ move it further west, I remember seeing the discussion and my eyes aren't lying to me. Compare, honestly, the distance in pixels between your shadows, and the shadows in Warre, and you'll notice they do increase, by about a centimeter on both side, which is miles and m iles more of open northern sea for people to have had to crossed for RP to stick to the same as it was before.

Guiana · Feb 11, 2011

You mean you are complaining over a few pixels? You do have a good sized island there that you didn't have before, wouldn't that make up for that discrepency.

Warre · Feb 11, 2011

I don't have it, Guiana, /someone/ has it, and honestly that there is both gross looking [so oddly shaped] and just overly strange as a whole. I'm complaining, Guiana, because the plausibility of the project that I put weeks of work into is lessened by someone who is not even in Boreas, and their insistence on moving the continent further west, for no real reason at all. Especially with the fact that I'm not the only one saying he shouldn't have moved it, and I specifically asked him to keep his fingers off of Boreas for the purposes of said redesign, as I had plans and have showed my redesign in the works. Sinhai agreed with me before that Boreas shouldn't be moved further west, and Khalistan is not RPing a Boreas nation, so we shouldn't even be having this argument.

He shouldn't have moved it further west, throwing the project that I've worked on in jeopardy, and making the plausibility of nearly every Boreasic nation at the moment's history questionable at best.

Saxe-Friesken and Polaben · Feb 11, 2011

Guiana said:
You mean you are complaining over a few pixels? You do have a good sized island there that you didn't have before, wouldn't that make up for that discrepency.

Not that it's my battle, but where was this argument when I was discussing with Anglyn?

Khalistan · Feb 11, 2011

@Warre: All I am trying to do in make all the continents fit with as little change to occupied mapspots as possible. I am sorry if my efforts do not meet your approval, but my proposals were not designed to screw with your history, or anyone else's for that matter.

Guiana · Feb 12, 2011

Suionia said:
Not that it's my battle, but where was this argument when I was discussing with Anglyn?

I think your argument with Anglyn was more to do with your trying to add mapspots on his coasts then being moved a few pixels westward.

Saxe-Friesken and Polaben · Feb 12, 2011

Pixels are pixels, and I was very open to compromising on how mapspots were added. Thus that argument is moot. Because he could've been cooperative and added things that wouldn't have been as problematic. ...and on top of that he didn't even have the argument that it would altar his RP.

Khalistan · Feb 12, 2011

@Warre: If it is only the 10 pixels that you uneasy about, I will move the continents those 10 pixels closer but can you do me a favor, modify the Boreas that is on my map proposal instead of the original, otherwise it won't fit right with the other continents

EDIT: Here. You will notice I got rid of the island.

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Warre · Feb 12, 2011

... I won't compromise on this, when there's no reason to compromise. My version of Boreas can be stretched the slight bit to fit where it has been done on your's, and the differences between mine and your's are creation of a few new plots, moving of islands which were once apart of Boreas or could be, and changing the shape of the former brettaine peninsula. Your version's visible changes are moving Boreas, and giving Anglyn some more [unnecessary] pixels.

I used the official version of the map because it's the official version, and it's not as if Sinhai isn't going to take the ideas he likes from our stuff, and then incorporate it into the real map, they don't have to coalesce, because we're not trying to collaboratively work on the continents to slap them together in a new map without Sinhai's approval and work on it as well.

Guiana · Feb 12, 2011

I have a little suggestion

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Khalistan · Feb 12, 2011

Then don't do me a favor, but what you just said you would do is what I was asking you to do. If you modify from my map the stretching is already done. If you want to change Anglyn back to the way his mapspot was shaped in the present officail map, then do it, I wasn't asking not to.

Warre · Feb 12, 2011

I figured by the way you said it, that you were asking me to, because of the way you implied they fit in like puzzle pieces. Move it back to it's original position [as yes, those 10 pixels do matter for purposes of history and the basis of the entire premise of my RP] and then I'll use your version, after of course fixing Anglyn's map spot to what it was before, though I do rather like the shape of it now, no one should've messed with it without his prior permission anyways.

@Guiana, your idea has merit, but if I did that I'd still probably keep the cluster of islands in the middle, because me and Batavie have had a spark of an idea for a Falklands War sort've RP and historical thing, but before the spot in the middle was just a single island and a few specks around it, so if it was more islands we could do that and have a historical glaring from a line going on with each other.

Khalistan · Feb 12, 2011

The continents themselves fit like puzzle piece, the spot can be modified. Anglyn on the otherhand was just a try at making it look better as everyone I have talked to, including Anglyn, has said the spot looked ugly. I can make it smaller if it is the extra pixels that are problem and still keep the proposed shape.

Warre · Feb 12, 2011

Well, he also has problems with people changing it for the benefit of giving other people a possible map spot, even if that could provide it to look less ugly. It and Guiana both could go for a full redesign, and come out looking very nice, but neither will consent to it, and as such I don't think it's right to give it slight frayed edges and more pixels just because of a complaint that it looks ugly. I t shouldn't grow, it can change shape and be the same width/depth of pixels. But enough on that, honestly.

Islands bit?

Khalistan · Feb 12, 2011

Here is a shrunk version of Anglyn. The shape is about the same, and if you look at the comparison to the original, he will have about the same amount of pixels.

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If you are asking about Guiana's islands, I can easily add them, as for the Falken Islands, which ones are you referring to?

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