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[Rheinbund]

If Willem III was so unpopular and psychopathic, I would doubt he abolished slavery out of goodness...but maybe you can surprise me by saying he did it because of that ;-)

Sorry. No. I can't. He mainly did it to at least become popular in the Caribean colonies and Surinam.

And for the nationality of our Royal House, it originates from Dillenburg in Germany. They are called Oranje-Nassau, but they descend from the branch Nassau-Dillenburg.

And indeed, Willem III didn't have a surviving son, and the Queens after him all married German noblemen, so also in that sense they are all Germans. But after our current King we will get a mixed German-Argentine Queen.

 

[Pelasgia]

Also it upsets me when I visited Greece to see the abandon building sites where companies probably of hard-working people have collapsed and left ruins

[sarcasm]How dare you question the mighty infallible European Disunion? You're just too immature to see the perfect economical policies devised by men who have a degree in uh... agriculture!? Off to Idomeni with you, perhaps if you receive enough European Humanism and Solidarity there you'll change your mind! Carefull though, I heard Hypatitis A, malnourishment and teargas are also part of that specific variety of European Humanism.[/sarcasm]

Indeed. Hopefully you didn't run into body bags at the nearest metro station, that's quite the frequent occurance nowadays, it might replace swimming as our national sport.

But after our current King we will get a mixed German-Argentine Queen.

Argentina can into white and European?

 

[Salen]

Argentina can into white and European?

Apparently yes, it's not the first time they affiliate with Aryans ...

 

[Merioneth]

[sarcasm]How dare you question the mighty infallible European Disunion? You're just too immature to see the perfect economical policies devised by men who have a degree in uh... agriculture!? Off to Idomeni with you, perhaps if you receive enough European Humanism and Solidarity there you'll change your mind! Carefull though, I heard Hypatitis A, malnourishment and teargas are also part of that specific variety of European Humanism.[/sarcasm]

Indeed. Hopefully you didn't run into body bags at the nearest metro station, that's quite the frequent occurance nowadays, it might replace swimming as our national sport.

I don't think where I went even had a metro system lol I went to the island of Rhodes but I've heard it is a lot worse with the abandoned buildings etc. on the mainland from the place I stayed at's owners .

 

[Pelasgia]

I don't think where I went even had a metro system lol I went to the island of Rhodes but I've heard it is a lot worse with the abandoned buildings etc. on the mainland from the place I stayed at's owners .

Well the only island big enough to even need a metro would be Crete. The rest can make do with buses. Indeed, it is, especially in the bigger urban centres like Athens, Thessalonica and Patras.

 

[Merioneth]

Well the only island big enough to even need a metro would be Crete. The rest can make do with buses. Indeed, it is, especially in the bigger urban centres like Athens, Thessalonica and Patras.

yes I must say the public transport on the island was a pain I ended up in an argument with a Russian lady because she was talking bad about other passengers in Russian and I know a few words so could get an idea of what she said and lets just say it was not nice.

 

[Rheinbund]

Argentina can into white and European?

Why not?

 

[Pelasgia]

Why not?

It's a Polandball reference, in Polandball Argentina is presented as obsessed with proving its whitness and its Europeaness.

yes I must say the public transport on the island was a pain I ended up in an argument with a Russian lady because she was talking bad about other passengers in Russian and I know a few words so could get an idea of what she said and lets just say it was not nice.

Glorious Russian good manners, never fail to impress XD

 

[Echten]

It's a Polandball reference, in Polandball Argentina is presented as obsessed with proving its whitness and its Europeaness.

Oh how I love polandball. America is the best in that hahaha

 

[Merioneth]

Glorious Russian good manners, never fail to impress XD

Lol

 

[Pelasgia]

Oh how I love polandball. America is the best in that hahaha

'Murica is kinda sympathetic. It's the omsk bird that gives me nightmares.

 

[Eilezia]

Well I for one would have loved to see there reaction if the Junta was still in power because if some Military guy was living the high life whilst I'm struggling to buy food I would be in prison for an assassination or even worse executed. Also it upsets me when I visited Greece to see the abandon building sites where companies probably of hard-working people have collapsed and left ruins and no offense to Germans but I laughed when I found out they pay higher prices on everything because I know Greeks get discounts but they aren't privileged holidaymakers so I understand that and I know thats why English pay more but I'm pretty sure in the local shops Germans pay the most lawl.

And here comes the question: would the members of the Junta have benefited from more previleges than the politicians/high public managers have been doing after the return of democracy?
I cannot speak about Greece or maybe Spain, but I can tell you here in Southern Italy it's plenty of abandoned buildings and infrastructures (and many of them were really expensive) which started falling down in pieces many years before the current crisis. This one has just worsened problems that we have been facing for decades and brought us to this crisis...
Germans are historically terrified by inflation!

[sarcasm]How dare you question the mighty infallible European Disunion? You're just too immature to see the perfect economical policies devised by men who have a degree in uh... agriculture!? Off to Idomeni with you, perhaps if you receive enough European Humanism and Solidarity there you'll change your mind! Carefull though, I heard Hypatitis A, malnourishment and teargas are also part of that specific variety of European Humanism.[/sarcasm]

Hmmm...the main problem about EU I see is not the qualification of the commissioners or the Parliament members (even though many of them would be more productive by selling Belgian fries in the streets of Bruxelles) but our governments. Imagining that Germany, UK, Poland, France and all the other 24 prime ministers can find common and effective solutions to our problems it's as believing the Middle-earth really exists. And, poor us, their decisions in the Council is what really matters.
In my opinion, if it was up to the EU Commission, we would have never had something like Idomeni.

Well the only island big enough to even need a metro would be Crete. The rest can make do with buses. Indeed, it is, especially in the bigger urban centres like Athens, Thessalonica and Patras.

I thought the only metro network in Greece was in Athens!

 

[Pelasgia]

And here comes the question: would the members of the Junta have benefited from more previleges than the politicians/high public managers have been doing after the return of democracy?
I cannot speak about Greece or maybe Spain, but I can tell you here in Southern Italy it's plenty of abandoned buildings and infrastructures (and many of them were really expensive) which started falling down in pieces many years before the current crisis. This one has just worsened problems that we have been facing for decades and brought us to this crisis...
Germans are historically terrified by inflation!

I might have erroneous information but if I remember correctly the Fascists were quite successful at nearly eradicating the Mafia, under some "iron prefect" guy. Then the yanks brought them over again to help the control southern Italy post WWII. If I also remember correctly after unification the new King and gov't went back on promises of industrialisation and land redistribution for the South, allowing landlords to stay in power while doing nothing to bring modernisation to the Mezzogiorno (I hope I didn't butcher that), which resulted in mass migrations, brigandry and the whole Mafia story.

The Junta actually is the source of most of Greece's current problems. Before the Junta, even with the massive loss of the Left in the Civil War, a sort of reconciliation and political stability had been reached. The Palace stayed out of most public affairs in exchange for mainting ceremonial authority, the left was allowed to take part in elections etc. as the United Democratic Left (EDA; KKE was officially prohibited under heavy US influence and to stabilise the country, so it's social-democrat facade as EDA was tolerated to bring stability), the military stayed out of gov't affairs, economic development under US help was going pretty well (even though the US helped Germany to avoid paying us reparations and sheltered many collaborators, particularly wealthy businessmen, industralists etc. in exchange for Cold War support) and we were on our way to join the EEC as one of the earliest members without having to fake any financial data since we were doing just fine. Cyprus was almost entirely Greek and on its way to inevitably join Greece via referendum in the foreseeable future (which is why Turkey started breaching the Treaty of Lausanne and evicting Greek populations in Imbros, Tenedos and Constantinople). The Junta destroyed any political balance, brought complete international isolation upon us (which would bite us in the ass in Cyprus), turned Greece into a US puppet state, kicked out many great scientists and intellectuals, held our education decades back (especially by its practical worship of Byzantium and Katharevousa and its hatred for Clacissism and Demotic) and plunged our economy into debt, at the benefit of the shipping magnates and industrialists (who were practically releieved of all taxation - it was in this decade that Greek shipping magnates solidified their dominance over world maritime trade). Even after its fall, many of our greatest progressive leaders were dead and many were killed in the decades after by right wing governments using the apparatus the Junta had created. The Junta tolerated and encouraged corruption, while it made us see the State as an enemy and created mistrust between citizens and gov't (something the carries on to this day). The domiannt cliques that propped the Junta up continue to be in power (hence why most of the burden of the recession is falling of the lower and former middle class, not the magnates and industrialists who caused it in the first place). There is a lack of capable leadership since most of it is either six feet under or without influence and nobody would ever dare tax the upper classes. Additionally many of the WWII collborationists and their descendants who were involved in recent scandals with foreign companies such as Siemens are left unpunished, the effects of the Junta's corruption are still quite rampant, Greece's population was reduced by migration, our foreign policy is in shumbles, our academic institutions are ruined and our economy is even worse, while political polarisation is still very apparent, just like in post-Franco Spain, unilke the rest of Western Europe. The Junta is probably the worst thing to have happened to Greece in a long time, if not ever, I would be willing to have the Gluksburg monarchy still as a ceremonial institution if it meant not having the Junta. Then again if the Junta never occured, the Gluksburgs would have been sent away eventuall, well before my birth.

Hmmm...the main problem about EU I see is not the qualification of the commissioners or the Parliament members (even though many of them would be more productive by selling Belgian fries in the streets of Bruxelles) but our governments. Imagining that Germany, UK, Poland, France and all the other 24 prime ministers can find common and effective solutions to our problems it's as believing the Middle-earth really exists. And, poor us, their decisions in the Council is what really matters.
In my opinion, if it was up to the EU Commission, we would have never had something like Idomeni.

Indeed. The EU is a Union without any united spirit or leadership. As long as we all feel Greek, Italian, Polish, German etc. first and European second, we will never unite and we will indefinately remain a mere extension of US influence. If we are to unite we must look for the good of Europe first and our country second, much like the Americans look out for their entire country (poor states included) and their local area second. If not we're nothing more than a hyper-advanced cartel.

I thought the only metro network in Greece was in Athens!

It is. BTW Thessalonica is getting its own, but they've been working at it for quite a while and it's not goin got finish before 2020 at this rate. Lack of industrialisation does that. Thanks Junta!

 

[Dalriada]

Indeed. The EU is a Union without any united spirit or leadership. As long as we all feel Greek, Italian, Polish, German etc. first and European second, we will never unite and we will indefinately remain a mere extension of US influence. If we are to unite we must look for the good of Europe first and our country second, much like the Americans look out for their entire country (poor states included) and their local area second. If not we're nothing more than a hyper-advanced cartel.

Another problem I don't know about rest of the Europe but a common saying amongst older people in the U.K.

"We pushed the Germans back on the beaches of Normandy 60 years later they rule through Brussels"

Another thing wrong with the E.U I know the German chancellor is popular among the Germans but her idiotic way of handling the current migrant crises
let's welcome 1000s of people without any papers without thinking about the long term culture and cost of letting large amounts in E.U. If you or anyone else have any problems with this plan we will demonize you and label you part of the evil far right wooo!

 

[Pelasgia]

Another problem I don't know about rest of the Europe but a common saying amongst older people in the U.K.

"We pushed the Germans back on the beaches of Normandy 60 years later they rule through Brussels"

Another thing wrong with the E.U I know the German chancellor is popular among the Germans but her idiotic way of handling the current migrant crises
let's welcome 1000s of people without any papers without thinking about the long term culture and cost of letting large amounts in E.U. If you anyone any problems with this plan we will demonize you and label you part of the evil far right wooo!

And then we'll pressure Austria into closing their borders with Greece instead of admiting our policy error, so the Greeks will have to handle the mess we created with the whole "refugees" welcome stuff, right after we got enough immigrants to support our insurance system and housing market. Half of the refugees here hold "FRAU MERKEL HELP US" banners. We're doing our best to help, but since she started this mess she might as well handle it. Personnaly I can't blame the Austrians for not wanting more refugees. I can only blame her for starting this whole story. Sure, we had been warning of a major refugee crisis for months before it started (the Austrians actually supported giving our border agency funds instead of gutting it back then) but Merkel would have none of it. And as if that wasn't enough now she casually lets thousands stuck at Idomeni, occasionally pretending that she's angry at Austria. When she was angry with us, the ECB magically decided to illegally cut our banks' cash flow overnight. Now she claims to be enraged at the Eastern Europeans and Austria and she can't even get the Slovaks to fall in line with approved EU policy. If this is the leadership the Americans trusted Europe to Post-WWII, had they known back then, they might as well had annexed us or let us to the Soviets.

 

[Dalriada]

And then we'll pressure Austria into closing their borders with Greece instead of admiting our policy error, so the Greeks will have to handle the mess we created with the whole "refugees" welcome stuff, right after we got enough immigrants to support our insurance system and housing market. Half of the refugees here hold "FRAU MERKEL HELP US" banners. We're doing our best to help, but since she started this mess she might as well handle it. Personnaly I can't blame the Austrians for not wanting more refugees. I can only blame her for starting this whole story. Sure, we had been warning of a major refugee crisis for months before it started (the Austrians actually supported giving our border agency funds instead of gutting it back then) but Merkel would have none of it. And as if that wasn't enough now she casually lets thousands stuck at Idomeni, occasionally pretending that she's angry at Austria. When she was angry with us, the ECB magically decided to illegally cut our banks' cash flow overnight. Now she claims to be enraged at the Eastern Europeans and Austria and she can't even get the Slovaks to fall in line with approved EU policy. If this is the leadership the Americans trusted Europe to Post-WWII, had they known back then, they might as well had annexed us or let us to the Soviets.

The thing in the U.K is both sides of the refuge argument are both batshit, one side goes "THEY ARE ALL MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!" so when do you bring up legitimate points against letting large amount of people in U.K in a short amount of time. You're label by the other side "YOU ARE A FILTHY RACIST, YOU WANT TO LET BABIES DROWN!!!".

 

[Pelasgia]

The thing in the U.K is both sides of the refuge argument are both batshit, one side goes "THEY ARE ALL MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!" so when do you bring up legitimate points against letting large amount of people in U.K in a short amount of time. You're label by the other side "YOU ARE A FILTHY RACIST, YOU WANT TO LET BABIES DROWN!!!".

Even though I believe that since European Arms started the whole mess in Syria, we should at least take some of the refugees, there certainly are plenty of arguements against unchecked immigration.

 

[Dalriada]

European Arms started the whole mess in Syria,.

It's much more complicated then that it's two proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia, the West and Russia, IS comes from the backwards religion (really every religion is) called Islam and the debilitation of Iraq thanks to Iraq war.

Yeah I know it's a very simple vision of it but I am too lazy to go through.

 

[Pelasgia]

Yeah I know it's a very simple vision of it but I am too lazy to go through.

Lazy people get to live more XD

 

[Saaremaa]

I don't want to break the party, but there is an European Politics Thread around...