Official Map Thread :- Kew Edition

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New map update. As you can see I have added as many cities as I could, from maps that I could find, would be excellent to have this map become quite informative - placing less need on digging through posts to find that national map. It isn't perfect, and I will probably look at a few of those cities for removal or altering, to have the map flow a little more nicely. There are also way too many waterways and bodies without names, in the next update I will just give them names and you can opt to change them as you (community) see fit - or, of course, you can submit names before then.

The long/lat is pulled straight from an older real world map, and I am happy for it to be simply decorative, but should the forum decide to want to explore scale and measurement I won't object, I am indifferent. But I am inclined to RP Engell Himyar as having a similar climate and environment to Argentina rather than southern Africa, which is what the map overlay portrayed.

Very good job!

I have two things to think and discuss about, and one question.

I start with the question. Would it be possible to remove Emden from the map, and place Ingelheim and Weissenfels on the map instead? If you do so, you have the six most relevant cities of Eiffelland on the map. Furthermore, I saw that you put all the cities of Helgoland on the map, as well as only one city of Rügen. Would it be possible to get Bergen and Grabow on Rügen as well, or will it become too crowded then?

For the first thing to think and discuss about, I consider it justified to let the 0-meridian cross Dulwich However, although I don't have a direct interest in this, would it be an option to place the 180-meridian a bit further to the east? My idea would be that Huaxia would completely land on the eastern hemisphere, sparing him some trouble with the date line.
Consequences of this move would be that the rectangles on the map would become wider, and that the map does not show our complete world. The latter thing should not be a problem; we just assume that it is all sea (hic sunt dracones natantes - here be swimming dragons).

For the second thing to think and discuss about, at this moment, Pelasgia is basicly a tropical country. However, he RPs the North of his country as mediterranean. Furthermore, I myself am RPing the South of Eiffelland as having a mediterranean climate as well. Would it be an option to shift the equator down, so that Southern Pelasgia comes at the 10th latitude North? Or would that interfere too much with you idea of having an Argentinan climate in your colonies in Southern Hymiar?
Consequence of my idea would be that a part of the southern hemisphere would not be shown on the map, but also there we can assume that there is only sea there. Well, partly ice, given the fact that we are talking about the South Pole. Or we also have an Antarctica there, but we don't touch it (hic sunt dracones perfrigefacti - here be frozen dragons (approximate translation from English into Latin)).

 

[Great Engellex]

This is beautiful.

Speaking of that blank border map... Do you have it in vector? I'd really like to be able to blow my spot up so I can add more detail to it.

Thank you, and I'm afraid I do not. It would be a very useful thing to have.

 

[Great Engellex]

Wow really well done. It actually feels really good somebody took the time to actually look at my map (considering how many cities are on it). You kinda spared me the trouble of listing my most important cities at some point, too. Nice details on the islands and lakes too. It looks great!

You know, I do like to read national wikis and look at people's maps. Always interesting, especially with as much effort as yours.

 

[Great Engellex]

Excellent Map-work as always, Engellex. You haven't lost your touch. But I can't help but feel like it's missing something...

I will add you very soon, just need to hash out some IC posts.

 

[Great Engellex]

First off. HOLY SHIT. That is one of the best, if not the best, map I've seen in the long history of this forum. Respect Engellex, the cities are really a nice touch.
I had a few changes if you could be bothered. The cities I would like to see added (or replacing others if you judge it's too much) because I've rp'd them as my biggest or most important cities.

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Rurikgrad and Klinsk are the second and third biggest cities of Kadikistan while Sbrevika is where the Cross-Kadikistani Railways come together. Kragujanin is the name of the city, while Kalavarskija is the name of the island province/oblast.

EDIT: Could you also change the name Azaeria to Naritstok, please?

This is in no way a priority and once again, nice work!

Thank you, and no problem, I did intend to go over yours again as I was convinced I may have had a name or two wrong.

 

[Great Engellex]

Just make a border from the lake on Loago's North East Border to the Green Sea. And then fill in the rest? My capital, Wadestone, should be on that island's coast. Was hoping to add a few cities, like a border one next to the border with Ashkelon but i can wait.

No problem, will have that done soon. Just to inform you, that corridor you will now possess, linking you to Ashkelon, Engellex refers to that as the Northern Frontier Territory.

 

[Great Engellex]

Location: Spot to the right of Pelasgia and left of Lauenburgerhimyar
Capital: Qarha
Location of Capital: Somewhere around the bay of the country
Pertinent Threads/Wiki: Developing

Here is a picture of the spot with the capital and cities:

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Nufruedan shall be greened?

 

[Sheridan]

No problem, will have that done soon. Just to inform you, that corridor you will now possess, linking you to Ashkelon, Engellex refers to that as the Northern Frontier Territory.

Alrighty sounds great! And with my nation being a loose conglomerate of former colonies (which will be posted once I have fleshed out the details with all parties involved) you can probably get away with continuing to refer to it as such

 

[Ashkelon]

Thank you, and I'm afraid I do not. It would be a very useful thing to have.

Aww. That's okay. I guess I'll just try to vectorize my section. ^_^

 

[Great Engellex]

Very good job!

I have two things to think and discuss about, and one question.

I start with the question. Would it be possible to remove Emden from the map, and place Ingelheim and Weissenfels on the map instead? If you do so, you have the six most relevant cities of Eiffelland on the map. Furthermore, I saw that you put all the cities of Helgoland on the map, as well as only one city of Rügen. Would it be possible to get Bergen and Grabow on Rügen as well, or will it become too crowded then?

Thank you. Crowding is likely an issue, but with those cities in mind I will go over it again. I'm leaning to giving more space for cities to actives than inactives anyways, so that might help here.

For the first thing to think and discuss about, I consider it justified to let the 0-meridian cross Dulwich However, although I don't have a direct interest in this, would it be an option to place the 180-meridian a bit further to the east? My idea would be that Huaxia would completely land on the eastern hemisphere, sparing him some trouble with the date line.
Consequences of this move would be that the rectangles on the map would become wider, and that the map does not show our complete world. The latter thing should not be a problem; we just assume that it is all sea (hic sunt dracones natantes - here be swimming dragons).

Haha you noticed? I was curious if anyone would. If I move 180-meridian to correspond with Huaxia and China, 0-meridian will be nearest to Ivar in Kadikistan.

The problem I have with trying to align things is that our map is quite a bit different from the RL map - no Americas, no big Africa, a bigger Eurodisney, and our oceans are greatly more reduced. That is why I offered for that addition to the map as being purely decorative, as it would involve some changes to the map. Simply widening the rectangles on the map as it is would not be a solution, we would have to involve adding larger oceans and possibly separate Toyou from Gallia-Germania to factor in a lack of America and India.

For the second thing to think and discuss about, at this moment, Pelasgia is basicly a tropical country. However, he RPs the North of his country as mediterranean. Furthermore, I myself am RPing the South of Eiffelland as having a mediterranean climate as well. Would it be an option to shift the equator down, so that Southern Pelasgia comes at the 10th latitude North? Or would that interfere too much with you idea of having an Argentinan climate in your colonies in Southern Hymiar?

My interest in an Argentinian climate would not be the issue, as I could still have that with a stretch, the problem would be northern Scania which is already stretching things with this.

Consequence of my idea would be that a part of the southern hemisphere would not be shown on the map, but also there we can assume that there is only sea there. Well, partly ice, given the fact that we are talking about the South Pole. Or we also have an Antarctica there, but we don't touch it (hic sunt dracones perfrigefacti - here be frozen dragons (approximate translation from English into Latin)).

With this in mind, the only other solution I can think of is to have the map reference to half of our globe (Eastern Hemisphere) with everything else, not on the map, being an ocean. The only problem, as this will never be perfect due to a fictional trying to correspond to a non-fictional one, is that 0-meridian will not be on the map, but just off it - west of Warre. Or it might just be about on it, I haven't properly worked that out, but it looks like it won't make it.

The latitude would likely look a little curious, as I try to accommodate everyone's preferred climate, and in doing so I think I would have to green Brecilia as that area would not allow a viable nation worth RPing.

 

[Warre]

Yeah, if it's any more northern Brecellia simply would not be 'viable'.

I personally think that this only being 'part' of the world would work just fine, to be honest, though I don't think it'd make sense if we are trying to keep any real sense of climate, for more than half of the world's water to be on one hemisphere of the world. Monsterous storms would be the result, and super tsunamis would hit western Scania and Eastern Touyou, like, often, because nothing would be there to really 'slow them down'.

 

[Great Engellex]

I personally think that this only being 'part' of the world would work just fine, to be honest, though I don't think it'd make sense if we are trying to keep any real sense of climate, for more than half of the world's water to be on one hemisphere of the world. Monsterous storms would be the result, and super tsunamis would hit western Scania and Eastern Touyou, like, often, because nothing would be there to really 'slow them down'.

I think ignoring such things that would go against the argument of half the world being water, are one of those situations that just are. A bit like no nukes.

 

[Warre]

It would still seem strange, but then again no one pays attention to what climate would actually probably make their nations look like, anyways; so you are probably right.

However, I'm still against it, as it'd mess with RP I had worked on before it was suggested; but if does end up happening whatever. I'll just assume I have magically super powerful radio transmitters and hope that being on the western edge of 'habitable space/land' will not mess with RP chances.

 

[Great Engellex]

However, I'm still against it, as it'd mess with RP I had worked on before it was suggested; but if does end up happening whatever. I'll just assume I have magically super powerful radio transmitters and hope that being on the western edge of 'habitable space/land' will not mess with RP chances.

Oh? We haven't an American continent for a while, this isn't something new.

 

[Warre]

Oh? We haven't an American continent for a while, this isn't something new.

No, I know we haven't had a western continent. But what I -thought- was the case was that the date line probably ended around where the edge of the map is, and that given there is no depiction of such, there was no 'great sea with probably no islands or many islands in it'; but rather that my land is actually not that far from Touyou if sailing west happened.

It'd literally have to cross the entire depicted world just about to get news media there, and likewise to get ships to and from there, if there really is a great ocean to the west of it that is the size of the current map or even half of the size of the current map.

There's literally nothing to gain by the addition or assumption of a half-map or near that in size body of water to the west. It just limits RP opportunities that might otherwise exist, and does so for no reason as water percentage wise, we have no idea of; and to me it seems more likely a great northern and great southern sea would exist than otherwise, making those in the 'far north' spots of the map have more habitable spots; or we could just ignore climate entirely given that we've got a long standing tradition of letting players decide their own climate for the map spot they have.

 

[Sheridan]

No, I know we haven't had a western continent. But what I -thought- was the case was that the date line probably ended around where the edge of the map is, and that given there is no depiction of such, there was no 'great sea with probably no islands or many islands in it'; but rather that my land is actually not that far from Touyou if sailing west happened.

It'd literally have to cross the entire depicted world just about to get news media there, and likewise to get ships to and from there, if there really is a great ocean to the west of it that is the size of the current map or even half of the size of the current map.

There's literally nothing to gain by the addition or assumption of a half-map or near that in size body of water to the west. It just limits RP opportunities that might otherwise exist, and does so for no reason as water percentage wise, we have no idea of; and to me it seems more likely a great northern and great southern sea would exist than otherwise, making those in the 'far north' spots of the map have more habitable spots; or we could just ignore climate entirely given that we've got a long standing tradition of letting players decide their own climate for the map spot they have.

I'm inclined to agree. I think that what is shown on the map should be considered the entire world. I can't get over thinking of how far I'd have to sail to reach say the Pan-Oceanic Federation. Well... I can get over it if otherwise I don't get put on the map

 

[Great Engellex]

No, I know we haven't had a western continent. But what I -thought- was the case was that the date line probably ended around where the edge of the map is, and that given there is no depiction of such, there was no 'great sea with probably no islands or many islands in it'; but rather that my land is actually not that far from Touyou if sailing west happened.

This was the case, but it had been expressed to have the 180th meridian east of Huaxia, in doing so the prime meridian would be going through Kadikistan. So an idea that was suggested was to have the depicted as the Eastern Hemisphere, and the non-depicted (ocean) the Western Hemisphere. You did say you were fine with that.

It'd literally have to cross the entire depicted world just about to get news media there, and likewise to get ships to and from there, if there really is a great ocean to the west of it that is the size of the current map or even half of the size of the current map.

I don't really know what to say to this.

There's literally nothing to gain by the addition or assumption of a half-map or near that in size body of water to the west. It just limits RP opportunities that might otherwise exist, and does so for no reason as water percentage wise, we have no idea of; and to me it seems more likely a great northern and great southern sea would exist than otherwise, making those in the 'far north' spots of the map have more habitable spots; or we could just ignore climate entirely given that we've got a long standing tradition of letting players decide their own climate for the map spot they have.

The addition is trying to bring that little bit more realism and maturity to the map. It does not limit RP, it would be weird to suggest that a non-depicted ocean acts as an obstacle to you involving yourself in present RP. As far as limited RP opportunities go, opportunities are limited or opened by activity, and Toyou has not a single active player on it. It would be disingenuous to argue the map as a hindrance to your RP.

I did not quite understand the northern and southern sea part, is that a proposal?

And this isn't about deciding other's climate, and nobody is suggesting that - at least not from what I can see. This is simply a discussion about trying to make our fictional map look less fictional.

 

[Remuria]

Wow! That map is just plain awesome!!!

 

[Northern Cooperative Unions]

I recall that when there was a western continent there was very few people who actively participated in roleplay on it - it was typically newer players who lost interest very quickly. While I like the idea of an "America" on the map, we can very easily just add a smaller continent if we ever gain enough players to warrant it. SWR/etc serve their purpose as American analogues in Himyar and there haven't been any issues that I can see.

 

[Pelasgia]

Just my five cents, since my own climate choices were part of what sparked this: the reason the my country is so much mroe temperate than the surrounding nations is the fact that it has tons of mountain ranges (some of the are very tall and large, as you can see in my map) and large rivers. It's my way of justifying my climate without screwing the good ol' "Himyar is Africa" idea. Parts of my Empire with fewer mountains and rivers (like Philistaea, parts of Brennia, and Opsicia) are dominated by deserts to a much greater extent.