Drang Nach Osten

[Caelia]

I have no real issue with what you did, on the contrary I think it has been a net gain for Eurodisney, but I felt (like I said) you were not being entirely fair to me. In other words, holding me a standard others (you included, but you are hardly the only one) have not been.

Yes what I am proposing would change the regional dynamics. That is kind of the point. But this should not be seen as a bad thing. As I think your own move demonstrated it can help to animate a region in new and interesting ways.

 

[Caelia]

And in case it is not clear, I will be carrying on my RP for now on the assumption this is not happening.

 

[Sixia]

Does anyone foresee if our current map, specifically in the region we're attempting to fix, will ever be filled with Central Asian countries? Those along with African countries seem to be in the least demand. Your alternative to not expanding/shift Kyiv spot could potentially be merging existing plots together so they're just as big as Kyiv. Like, merge S1 and S2 to become one mega plot.

You can also do a compromise between the two, shift Kyiv over to the east but not take nearly as much land but consolidate the smaller plots and break them up when they're becoming nearly filled. We could also have the Mezhist Union remain in tact, either not changing its original shape or delegating it to a different shaped plot in a similar geographical location. Seeing how the original player doesn't foresee going back to the country, I don't think he'll oppose to changing its general shape if a compromise is needed. I don't know enough about the Mezhist Union to advocate removing or keeping it on the map, but this certainly can be addressed.

From what I'm reading, only Sikandara and Cantignia are opposed to the changes, with Sikandara somewhat on the fence.

I'm still in favour for expanding Kyiv, even though Beishan is to be moved southwards so I don't really have a say anymore. I reallllllly don't think playing a Central Asian country is a priority for many people. Also yes its a bit funny that Kyiv is so large but cannot exert its power globally in contrast to the colonial powers.

 

[Touzen]

Eh, I think there should be clarity regarding this issue soon, for all involved parties. A lot of what I'm pondering after all also depends on whether Kyiv gets to to do this and enrich Touyou, or if he gets show down. There's not really any formal process for approval or denial by the community though, so I guess its up to Kyiv to ultimately decide to apply for the chance or abstain from doing so based on the information he gets here.

 

[Touzen]

Does anyone foresee if our current map, specifically in the region we're attempting to fix, will ever be filled with Central Asian countries? Those along with African countries seem to be in the least demand.

One of the reasons I want to expand my RP project into the region, that and I enjoyed world building the different nations in the area with the Oikawan Empire when I controlled that entire region before starting over with Touzen. And meeting there with Kyiv would obviously be doublegood.

 

[Ionia]

Can;'t we just let [MENTION=3]Kyiv[/MENTION] change the position of his nation without changing the shape of the map? That would satisfy everyone and be a fair solution. After all I see no reason why he shouldn't move his nation. He could even RP that Kyiv captured the "Siberia" area while the other area was lost to a revolution by the people of the nation that will occupy the new slot.

 

[Thaumantica]

From what I'm reading, only Sikandara and Cantignia are opposed to the changes, with Sikandara somewhat on the fence.

I'm not opposed at this point, I just wanted to clarify his vision for the project a bit (as I ask from all players asking for map changes) as mapmaker.

I have no real issue with what you did, on the contrary I think it has been a net gain for Eurodisney, but I felt (like I said) you were not being entirely fair to me. In other words, holding me a standard others (you included, but you are hardly the only one) have not been.

Yes what I am proposing would change the regional dynamics. That is kind of the point. But this should not be seen as a bad thing. As I think your own move demonstrated it can help to animate a region in new and interesting ways.

As I said to this here Kyiv-man in IRC, I did not mean to question him as a person or player, I had doubts concerning the viability of the project working. Playing large nations is difficult, there's a lot to keep track of internally and externally, so having confidence in the project working is important - and I do think Kyiv does have that confidence right now.

 

[Asylan]

Is it possible to RP an aggressive annexation strategy of Kyiv to justify gaining the land? And in RP way of doing it perhaps?

 

[Thaumantica]

It's possible, but I think some older player "purists" would oppose creating such a pre-destined RP.

 

[Caelia]

It appears my statement has caused some controversy.

My reasoning was as follows:
1. I thought it would appear presumptuous to begin RP'ing as if the expansion was a fact, when it was still being considered.
2. I am admittedly a bit concerned about being up a creek without paddle should I begin RP'ing as if it was a fact and then it turns out not to be.

 

[Mergogne]

Some of these questions of inactive regions lead me back to the idea Xen (and maybe others) had about creating some sort of "game master" who could do some minor roleplay for regional NPC countries (with extra leeway for that player in RPing potentially destabilizing or interesting international events). Perhaps they could rotate among NPCs to inject activity into regions that needed it, and then moving on. Ideally it wouldn't require too much time, and help spice things up a bit as needed.

It's possible, but I think some older player "purists" would oppose creating such a pre-destined RP.

Just to nitpick, I think it'd be the RP "purists" who would support RPs with planned outcomes, in general.