I've been neglecting my duties here - to focus my attention on being the Duke of Munster. I'll starts me a poll.
Condensed Naming Convention Threads (Outdated)
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Poll :: The Boreas Naming Convention
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I have been trying to find the names of all the continents, but have failed. Maybe they are in such an obvious place I have overlooked it. The only clue I have is, the unclaimed spots hold the first letter or two of the continent they are on.
Hanseatic Republics
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Seriously guys, we're naming a continent, "West" —notes I will not follow such strange naming conditions as they would make zero sense in RP.
Josepania
Establishing Nation
Occidentia, if nothing else, sounds a lot better than the two other options.
Hanseatic Republics
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Because naming something based on how it sounds is a good idea. The name needs meaning because how it sounds is always opinionated. Occidentia is crap because the meaning is West. Which frankly is just lazy. You can call something the Occident or the Orient, but to name a geographical body that is just idiocy. The name of this continent(s) is based upon the idea it was discovered similar in the fashion of RL America. I strongly believe it should be named after an IC explorer, cartographer, or historical figure... and at this rate will outright ignore the outcome of this poll. Which will be funny because it will require my name (Zuli-Santander) to be used anyhow in interactions with my nation. So if you expect me to change, at least put some effort into it, as standards are only standards when they are universally accepted. —At that rate I suppose one could also still be calling it the Great Sea.
NSEurope is habitually a place where people do not coexist with one another unless they're threatened or it serves an immediate personal interest. You possess the right to ignore the opinions of other players to a certain extent, but again, that turns in to a vicious habit. One could argue that this is why you're playing Monterrey and residing on the continent in question to begin with - you're insulting the reality you oppose, and you're threatening (or stating, if it pleases) that you'll just ignore it anyways.
This is a very simple exercise for changing these trends: once a month we spend a week discussing and voting on the name of a mass of land or water. We're talking about what will go directly on the map, or what will be written as the most common description of a land mass. As of now six players to your three believe Occidentia to be the best description of this continent. Nothing's going to ever be universally accepted by this community, which can be just as bad as it is good depending on the situation.
Listen, NSEurope isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and so long as someone remembers to do this once a month there will be regular opportunities to change this continent, the great sea, or even the Sindh which a few people nominated this time around.
This is a very simple exercise for changing these trends: once a month we spend a week discussing and voting on the name of a mass of land or water. We're talking about what will go directly on the map, or what will be written as the most common description of a land mass. As of now six players to your three believe Occidentia to be the best description of this continent. Nothing's going to ever be universally accepted by this community, which can be just as bad as it is good depending on the situation.
Listen, NSEurope isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and so long as someone remembers to do this once a month there will be regular opportunities to change this continent, the great sea, or even the Sindh which a few people nominated this time around.
Hanseatic Republics
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Well my complaint is that people who aren't contributing to the discussion are determining the name of the area that I reside in. You can see how the suggestion thread straight up died. Felt like I was the only one who gave a damn. So why should I listen? At least the Great Sea thread had discussion, but this is just silly. A bunch of people nominated some things with no real vested interest and then just left it to sit. Then come voting time they vote something, likely not even knowing the definition of the word, or just picking something that sounds pretty to them without considering RP. Odd seeing how we're an RP community. So I think my irritation with this is well founded. I'm well within my right to RP a different name (especially now that I've found the flaw in this process), it's not something that hasn't been done before. I believe Engellex has unique names for every region. Perhaps something we should all do, and then convention will determine what is what.
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Danmark
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Chill for fuck's sake.
Hanseatic Republics
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Why is everyone always like... chill? Nothing but discussion here. Talk your mind, else you just get stepped on in NSEurope.
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Danmark
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OK, then I'll speak my mind. Quit the hissy fits.
Furthermore, unless I am mistaken, the impression I'm getting from what you are saying and that because you are geographically situated in Boreas, the whole continent somehow becomes your personal preserve. I always understood it to be a community-wide enterprise.
Either way, as it currently stands, 7 people have chose Occidentia v. Zulia/Santander. In that sense, Zulia/Santander has been rejected for whatever reasons. The choice of Occidentia by some may have been for in haste, but it could equally be that it was made on a sound basis. I simply don't know and I cannot second judge. But the impression I am getting from you which, in gist, is that everyone else is at fault apart from you and your choice, a sort of my way or no way.
Re the Santander part of the name. I know there is a greater RL background to the name, but it still has not been explained how the name can escape from one its more modern understandings - the name of a European/Latin American high-street bank chain. Is there not an issue over that?
Also, if there is only one Spanish-nation on Boreas, why would it have an entirely Spanish name when not all of the continent is Spanish? Would not a neutral name be more appropriate?
Furthermore, unless I am mistaken, the impression I'm getting from what you are saying and that because you are geographically situated in Boreas, the whole continent somehow becomes your personal preserve. I always understood it to be a community-wide enterprise.
Either way, as it currently stands, 7 people have chose Occidentia v. Zulia/Santander. In that sense, Zulia/Santander has been rejected for whatever reasons. The choice of Occidentia by some may have been for in haste, but it could equally be that it was made on a sound basis. I simply don't know and I cannot second judge. But the impression I am getting from you which, in gist, is that everyone else is at fault apart from you and your choice, a sort of my way or no way.
Re the Santander part of the name. I know there is a greater RL background to the name, but it still has not been explained how the name can escape from one its more modern understandings - the name of a European/Latin American high-street bank chain. Is there not an issue over that?
Also, if there is only one Spanish-nation on Boreas, why would it have an entirely Spanish name when not all of the continent is Spanish? Would not a neutral name be more appropriate?
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I would argue that the opinion of myself, Wasatch, Davy, and Europaland matter most. I'd argue that something from our RP backgrounds should be the official name. Via colonial activity or national history. So no, it's not a personal playground for me, but I'm not interested in it being a continued laughing stock. We have to remember this area was a crapshoot before when Warre demanded the Boreas title and demanded everyone to incorporate Celtic history. To top it off we had a graveyard of inactive nations and an ugly continental design. Much of this has been fixed. The point of this poll was to continue the fix. I can accept that Zulia and Santander aren't accepted much like Boreas may or may not have been; however, I cannot accept another rehashed pointless fix that will only need to be fixed again. I cannot accept that general apathy pushing forward a trendy name that makes no sense.
As for your comments on the ill effects Iberian banking, in order to keep things fair, my next goal is to rename the area around Gaul and Engellex. I was meaning to suggest Barclay. I think it well suits the region and is additionally carrying a good RP history. Well, maybe not yet, we can make it do that soon.
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Danmark
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I don't agree, but I would be interested to hear their ideas nonetheless.
Alright, I need to clarify the Santander thing.
Just because it is the name of a bank it doesn't mean it came from that. Christ, its primary function is a surname. Now, the idea of naming a whole continent after someone sounds wrong? Well, tell that to Amerigo, or even better, to Colombia, Bolivia, Rome and a bunch of other places that have done just that (
I am sorry if I didn't add anything to the discussion, but I was tip off by the fact that the only thing that comes to mind is the bank.
Just because it is the name of a bank it doesn't mean it came from that. Christ, its primary function is a surname. Now, the idea of naming a whole continent after someone sounds wrong? Well, tell that to Amerigo, or even better, to Colombia, Bolivia, Rome and a bunch of other places that have done just that (
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)I am sorry if I didn't add anything to the discussion, but I was tip off by the fact that the only thing that comes to mind is the bank.
Great Sea < AIGean Sea
I think Coro has at least half the right of it, he's saying that the phrase that's used in RP the most will eventually win out. If we were "writing history" or "labeling the map" right now though, a majority believes in Occidentia.
Concerning the appropriated value of opinions: this is a worldwide convention, so we're seeking a global majority. Placing the decision solely with the continental players may be kind of disastrous anyways. Occidentia was Davy's nomination, Zulia Santander was Coro's. Wasatch seems to have voted Occidentia, and your Aresura, PD Aresura, Belmont, Chryse, and Europaland's are swinging about in the breeze.
Josepania
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Not entirely correct. Aresura is a secondary nation of mine, as I pointed out briefly in the nomination thread.
As for my reasoning, Occidentia is Latin, or Tiburan in this universe, and has a little bit more credibility to throw around because of the importance (mostly implied) Tibur had on our various civilizations. That, and as I previously stated, it sounded/looked good, so there's aesthetic quality. But the biggest factor was that the other choices didn't look good to me. Zulia & Santander does strike me as a bit more realistic, except that Monterrey is, as far as I can tell, the only dominantly Spanish nation in the area. Europaland is a melting pot, and I think Wasatch is Anglo-French. Aresura is also Anglo-French (though I may add Spanish in the future), and Belmont is French. In short, it just doesn't make any sense to give a Spanish name to a not-majority Spanish area.
Now if you came up with a beautiful history the region agreed upon of Frescania colonizing the majority of the occupied continent and then losing it swiftly after the official naming of said continent, then I'd be far more open to that name. As it stands, notsomuch.
And Mendebal sounds too odd to me, with no reasoning or history behind it that could easily be seen, so I barely gave it a second thought.
So as you can hopefully see, I did give this a significant amount of thought, and my secondary nation is there, so I have a stake in it.
Hanseatic Republics
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I don't want to name the world in Latin. What role does Latin and Tibur have to do with this area of the world? One could say that it has even less than Spanish. I don't see how your argument holds up better. —I personally see the area as more of a Frescanian playground. Even Wasatch owns an island which is Spanish speaking in the region. What it comes down to is a larger love for a "pretty name" which is a very opinionated belief. I can understand how Occidentia is going to win out, but we're just going to have to fix this again later. So all in all this is pointless.
Great Engellex
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Keep your filthy paws off my silky draws!
I don't see anything wrong with calling it "West," considering it is presumable that the original explorers of the area would have come from the East, and came upon an unknown land that they decided to call the west.
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