The Old Map Critique & Discussion Thread

[Warre]

No, I could add Guiana's islands easily as well. I'm saying, the cluster of islands in my map, me and Batavie were going to originally fight over a singular island which was supposed to be three, but because it was the historical seat of my nation's ruling family, his idea wouldn't work and we proposed a standoff, but there were not enough islands to do that. I may take Guiana's islands and have them combined with the islands I plopped there, for a sort've island hopping thing.

 

[Khalistan]

Here is one with your and Guiana's islands and a shrunken Anglyn

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[Papist Solaren]

People are capable of travelling over thousands of miles with nothing but a paddle, no compass or gps or sail. I don't see why islands are necessary to bridge a gap of less than 200 miles. I can pull up an article my professor has pinned on his door, if you want, to prove that a man spent several months on a canoe in the Pacific to go over a thousand miles of ocean without stopping at islands and using only the stars for navigation, if you want. He did it to prove that's how Polynesian and Micronesian peoples settled their islands. Furthermore, that's how monkeys got between Africa and South America (traversed via flotsam).

I'm failing to see how islands are becoming one of the greatest problems this map has. I can see an issue with Boreas being too far away. But it doesn't need islands to connect it, it's quite feasible to travel sea without stopping at islands.

 

[Warre]

It was feasible before without the islands to connect it, it being too far away is the issue. The islands I added are simply an RP thing to deal with, and my issue isn't traversing large distances, it's that the sort've thing I proposed before wouldn't wholely ready unless the ancient celtic peoples early on entered the age of sail, and were able to travel to and from their colonies and home despite the likely erraticness of the great sea because of it's depth and it's latitude.

 

[Saxe-Friesken and Polaben]

There is just too much clutter in that map. Islands like freckles on a red head isn't to be desired on a map. Maybe on a cute girl or pippi longstocking, but this is just crazy.

 

[Breotonia]

We could do with more sets of very tiny islands but that really is far too many. I think we should have a few sets of maybe three or four to a dozen tiny islands that would all be one nation like a small Indonesia.

 

[Khalistan]

Fewer islands

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[Mergogne]

Meh I kind of like islands — they have great opportunities for land disputes/interesting geography/cool micronations

 

[Hesperia]

Oh right, my bad, wasn't looking properly. I thought that big bay in northern Himyar in Khalistan's proposal was where Hajr used to be.

As an aside, that bay should probably be smaller, for aesthetic reasons.

As a non-RPer you don't have the right to an opinion, kapi.

Shut it before I abuse my power on you

P.S. Coro is wrong as lots of islands spread in between continents doesn't only look good but is realistic too.

 

[Warre]

It looks fine, and provides for RP, both from 'cool micronations', from allowing people to play tiny nations if they just have to have that ethnic group they want, and allows for territorial disputes over the islands and the surrounding waters to hit, as well. That's the entire root of my idea to expand the single island and two rocks in between me and Batavie into more islands, because it'll make us have a chance for interesting RP. The Green Sea, too, should have a lot of islands; there's gotta be something that makes people call it green.

 

[Saxe-Friesken and Polaben]

Islands have their place. But sorry, that is just too many large chains to me. That said, I've been listening to a lot of opinions and a lot of requests. This next map reflects all of what I've heard. I added names to seas and other shit because I noticed places obviously disappeared, moved, and other things. Names came from history and IRC submissions. Boreas was redesigned in the light of Warr's submission. I took aspects of Khalistan's Himyar and added to my own. The first map shows Himyar to be quite Western. It was complained about on the IRC; and thus now there is a more Eastern version as well. I feel what is most important is the addition of a real Implarian Ocean, rather than just oh yeah, that way be blue watery stuff. There also some other differences between the two maps I'm providing. This is due to additions I made when I moved Himyar to a more central and normal location. Mostly out in the Implarian Ocean and in the Green Sea.

@Khalistan: On your map, you should note changes to the Scanogermanian region.

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[Breotonia]

I guess I don't mind but I do wonder why the sea to my east is the Golden Bay.

 

[Saxe-Friesken and Polaben]

I guess I don't mind but I do wonder why the sea to my east is the Golden Bay.

Rename it if you'd like.

 

[Warre]

Breotonia's all about the ducats, that's why? =o

I like and support Coro's rework 100%, though I prefer the more central version more.

 

[Anglyn]

I perfer Khalistan's work as I do like the islands

Breotonia's all about the ducats, that's why? =o

I like and support Coro's rework 100%, though I prefer the more central version more.

You were so against the size increase of Anglyn, now you don't mind it?

 

[Breotonia]

Breotonia's all about the ducats, that's why? =o

This logic is sound.

 

[Montelimar]

I see you completely ignored my proposal and, though you did make a land connection it can barely be seen.

 

[Warre]

Anglyn, I was against Khalistan's proposal because it was a purposeful grant of more pixels to you. This was not, but rather a random grant of pixels to you, and came with a general change to the shape of the continent. All he really did to Boreas was give you more pixels, and chop up the two 'free plots' into tiny ones around it. Coro's is a sizable revamp that creates quite a good number of appealing map spots, while keeping the three people who refuse to have their pixels or the ones bordering them touched without their express consent basically the same, though he moved Aquitania and below further west.

On that note, Anglyn, quit trying to pick fights. What islands in his work are you saying you prefer, exactly? My version is the one that included the 'islands', are you even reading things before posting up replies in bloc?

 

[Khalistan]

I take it that this is no longer a cooperative effort? While I incorporated your Eurasia design as is into my proposals, you have made a full redesign of the entire map.

 

[Saxe-Friesken and Polaben]

I see you completely ignored my proposal and, though you did make a land connection it can barely be seen.

Look in this map proposal you've been gifted a buttload of pixels. This was an I'm sorry for screwing you when first taking on the mapmaker position when everyone was trying to be in that Francophone region. You might recall losing the most pixels in a lot of those reworks, while I might think Belmont came out a winner in that, and so I'm trying a fix one year later. So I'm still trying to accommodate you. You were given a corridor to the ocean via land. I'm not entertaining an argument based on that, which would sacrifice neighboring empty plots too... they are already very small. I can expand/widen your corridor a little bit, but expect no more. —as for your other proposals, I wasn't a fan of them. I felt it looked poor on the map, (You'll note the other thing that stuck out was removed due to complaints from Belmont and the fact that many others thought it looked bad.) Additionally one of your suggestions prevented me from bringing Helena and Breotonia closer to the mainland to expand the Great Sea.

On top of this, I didn't want to alter the plot that Free Union was thinking about moving to if adopted. If you'd like, submit more suggestions, but just because you make a suggestion doesn't mean I have to incorporate it into my draft if I don't like the way it incorporates into the greater scheme of things on the map. Keep in mind I'm trying to make EVERYONE happy, and I have to over look some things and adopt all kinds of different proposals.

I take it that this is no longer a cooperative effort? While I incorporated your Eurasia design as is into my proposals, you have made a full redesign of the entire map.

My general feeling is that your map is the current design that is going to be incorporated, with the degree of support it has seen thus far. Thus I saw no point in just making a few small changes in Scanogermania and decided to make changes all over the board that might be of help to the mapmaker. If you like something I made, put it in yours. If you don't, don't worry about it. If you seriously feel threatened by it, then I can make my future drafts include your version of Himyar, but I am working on Boreas with Warr, which is the part that he is most vocal about, and so I will continue to tinker with it hopefully with the support of Anglyn, Guiana, and Aquitania. —Let me know your opinion. I'm trying not to screw people here, but I am just rolling and I understand I may step on some toes, for which I do apologize to some degree, but honestly I'm just going to keep rolling. My only rule is that people who remain civil, I'll entertain so long as they give me a complaint with out some unnecessary rudeness.

Additionally, if there is anything you do adopt to your drafts, I'd hope it would be the Implarian Ocean's new islands. I feel they add badly needed open ocean as well as a certain sense of Polynesia and the RL Pacific Ocean.