The Old Map Critique & Discussion Thread

[Josepania]

[Apparently Final Version Of Map]

This is not cool. No California spot for me. :cry:

 

[Tyvia]

This is not cool. No California spot for me. :cry:

A healthy consensus of NSEurope experts agreed that it would be hazardous to the continued heterosexuality of the forum at large were there to exist two homosexuals here.

 

[Saxe-Friesken and Polaben]

Splitting Himyar (yes indeed Guiana it's spelled Himyar) is not acceptable, if you ask me. Either extend it westward some or shave off some more off the bottom and don't split it at all, as Khalistan had done earlier.

Also, you made the Gulf of Sidra (the body of water entirely in my territory) too large. This is something for the map maker's thread, I know, but please make it smaller.



There are about six-seven new and tiny spots, in one tiny area, on the main continent. That seems appallingly little considering the huge desire for these spots. People don't want spots on the northern islands; they want spots smack dab in the middle of the northern continent.

Really, this thread was started to rectify the problem in the North/the Euromass/Eurodisney. But it's mostly been about cutting into Himyar. What gives?

A chance to explain. ...and this is really the only post worth responding to from what I've seen.

There are fundamental problems with adjusting the map.

1. Expanding the Eurozone became impossible. The EDF bloc refused to allow any additional nations be added in the center of the bloc. Therefore there is only room on the western exterior. This isn't much room. You can say that in full effect, map reform died due to the inflexibility of a certain group of players. Who refused to have their location changed without my own changed, because I'm making a map and har har, that makes sense? Or at least that was the logic of Wendmark and the EDF crew who only assume changes are made to make their lives difficult.
2. The point was the cut down the size of the most unpopular land mass on the map. Himyar. The two continent scenario was a suggestion made by other players who believe the size of Himyar was only expanded upon in Khalistan's maps and did not seek the reform that was initially desired. That said, the original goal, was remove land from Himyar, and replace it in Eurodisney. A goal which proved impossible as no player desired to cooperate. As for the last map I put out, it was far from complete, but I am done working on new maps with the last design that Warr showed you, which was never really supposed to see the light of day either as I didn't want a discussion on it.
3. Other changes not initially on the ticket suddenly became part of it when players then started asking for changes and a chance was seen to fix 'ugly' locales on the map. This annoyed some players, and pleased others as honestly the map's shapes are very inconsistent in terms of the quality.

As for myself, and with reloaded coming, there are talks of having an entirely new map, using a map that resembles the 1920's map that you all might recall. This is largely due to the hell experienced in trying to fix the current map, as players have too many vested interests to allow for the proper changes to take place... that being an enlarged Eurodisney. Additionally, Xen has suggested he would only give up his Oikawan Empire and try something different on a new map.

So, honestly... what gives? Well... that's the story. I ain't out to screw anyone, never have, and I'll tell it to anyone's face if I am. However, I'm done with this map. Tired of working on it, and tired of trying to compromise with people where there is no compromise. So a reformed version of the map is now left in the hands of Xyrael and Khalistan. I put out twelve different suggestions, so I've left my mark on the process.

If there is an interest in the future of the map, I suggest someone make a thread in the reloaded section asking questions and/or making demands.
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@Barbossa, should any of those editions without your location be chosen as the next map, your space could easily be returned to the map. The fact it is missing is pure oversight, rather than elimination.

 

[Serenierre]

Coro, just a suggestion, if you look at the Belmontien western coast, you sort of see that the entire line from Coronado upto the northern plots they look like they are one line. Looks a bit off to me looking at a straight line. And, how come Montelimar is so large all of a sudden?

 

[Coronado]

No, not a new map. I finally got a spot I actually like and now a suggestion of a whole new map.:cry:

 

[Touzen]

No, not a new map. I finally got a spot I actually like and now a suggestion of a whole new map.:cry:

The pain will subside.

 

[Coronado]

The pain will subside.

That I am not entirely sure of.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

There is zero reason for an entirely new map.

 

[Khalistan]

Since I am sure no one wants to have their country totally north of the Arctic Circle, and seeing that they also want the Equator to be further south, I have only one suggestion. Ignore the fact that I used one of my own maps, this will an example of just how big the map will be with those parameters and using the top and bottom of the map as the Arctic and Antarctic Circles.

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[Socialist Commonwealth]

I think your proposal is the best thusfar, Khalistan, I only think that central Himyar needs to be closer to our "Europe" continent, as it is in the current map - simply to not destroy the Long Sea as strategically important sea-channel and area of conflicting interests (which is a good RP catalyst)

 

[Khalistan]

Actually Himyar hasn't moved all that much, it just stretched westward, Hajr is still about where he has always been. What I would like to do is cut off some of tha add-on, leaving Himyar relatively large and create another continent, but I don't know how well that will go over.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

Well, what's important imho is, that there are natural chokepoints like sea-straits, because those are regions players will battle over. As such, I always like the Long Sea in its current form and there has definitely been RP revolving around the shipping lanes in this area - so of course, I'd like that to remain in any future incarnations of the map.

 

[Allegian Republic]

This is just a suggestion. I assume there's no way to create something similar to what was the Varlden Strait? I know that it was a major cause for conflict in the South and if something similar was set up in the north, or South it could be interesting. I should try and find an image of it to show you to better explain it. Although, I don't see any spot where it could go so it might be fruitless to even discuss it.

EDIT: After Revy clearly proved me wrong. Ignore this

 

[Khalistan]

@Carentania: There are certain sea spots I consider points that should not be changed, two of those are the Long Sea and the gap between North Boreas and Scandia as they are both important to both present RP and history.

@Drakun Imperium: Creating such spots are possible.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

Exactly my point.

 

[Khalistan]

I would love to expand the South, but because everyone thinks the center of this universe is Europe and the Great Sea, the South is largely ignored.

 

[Allegian Republic]

Well it has to do with who inhabits it. I don't believe the South was a actual bastion of activity when I first joined it. However, once I and several others, did over a year or two it became the center of conflict and activity in Europe. It's not something, I believe, that a map maker can fix but, has to be done gradually as players gravitate to a certain position.

 

[Hesperia]

I don't think it's OK for people to decide on Himyar's fate without consulting Himyar's players. And I'm not even talking of myself, because I'm inactive, but people like NCR, Aus, Jurzan, etc.

 

[Khalistan]

I would like to hear what Himyar players would like.

 

[Kassiopeia]

I want the spot I claimed to stay in basically the same place, and geographical position that it is now. More or less.