The Old Map Critique & Discussion Thread

[Oneida]

I can't believe I'm a tropical nation.

i think (hope) were ignoring what our climates should be like with our location to the globe. i RPed being tropical and im actually morr like Peru, so im going to ignore that

 

[Touzen]

i think (hope) were ignoring what our climates should be like with our location to the globe. i RPed being tropical and im actually morr like Peru, so im going to ignore that

Obviously you still have to be region consistent, so a new nation next to you can't suddenly be a snowland, except if they all live in extreme heights on mountaintops.

 

[Saaremaa]

Isn't Peru tropical, but the huge mountains make that cooler than the rest?

 

[Oneida]

I think some parts are tropical, but not tropical in the sense that Central America is.

 

[Tyvia]

There's no reason that you can't be tropical just because of your latitude, given that you're still just barely below the equator. Hell, I'm playing Attreyu as predominantly tropical too.

 

[Socialist Commonwealth]

The equator runs through South America right on the northern edge of Peru. Peru is much more tropic than anything in Central America. It's really the mountains and cold sea currents off the west coast of South America, that make it not being a massive jungle.

 

[Oneida]

I'm not up to date on my climate of Peru knowledge, my apologies. I'm simply saying that when people say "the tropics" rarely does Peru come to mind.

 

[Hanseatic Republics]

Expectations were going to be shattered and there would be confusion at the start as I predicted. Still, as I outlined in my post, there are instruments to voice concerns and petitions for redress. The overall shape of the map will not change anymore, but specific areas are probably up for debate with the mapmaker. Especially with you two people being insular, it should be easy as none of you object to changes to your general area.

So are you saying that Juuso and I should speak with Yanksy to figure out a solution involving a change in the size of the region and/or shape? Or should we be trying to figure out how to draw up our changes together within the space allocated? I'm not sure I entirely follow as to what we should be doing next. :/

 

[Remuria]

I don't know what's scarier. Revolutionary Franken or the fact that I got GoogleEuroMap to work.

 

[Oneida]

[FONT=&amp]Hola compañeros! If I may have a momento of your time, I’d like to discuss the position of Occidentia on our globe.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&amp]As we see here in Eurodisney and Himyar, the lineup of the continents and their RL counterpart is almost exact. From my point of view, Havenshire is different, going from my guess a UK style climate to Spain, Frescania is more a desert than previously suspected. However, almost all of Eurodisney, Himyar, and Scania remain relatively intact climate wise to their RL counterparts.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&amp]As we see here in Touyou and Cantignia, we see an almost 100% line up with Australia and Asia. All the difference really is, is that Cantignia is further south than Australia. From what we can see here, climates are for the most part in tact.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Then we get to Occidentia, and the entirety of the continent is skewed. [/FONT]

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[FONT=&amp]From my gatherings, Sylvania is very Canada-esque, with a colder climate, Cascadia like Washington/British Columbia, Davi I’m not entirely sure, but my guess would be central American or Mexican of some sort, Warr wanted to be similar to Canada or NE USA, I wanted to be like Central America, as did Potty and Frescania, however, our positions on the globe drastically alter our climates and for some of us, our entire RP. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Sylvania has come from the cold north to Mexico, a tropical/desert country. Warr is now Bananaland, Davi is northern southern America, an amazon jungle, I’m more like the cold northern hills of Argentina and Chile, Cascadia is more mexico, and Pellewburg is south American as well. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]It would require some work on our parts to move our pins and stuff, but I think that Occidentia should be moved north and eastern or even expanded, whatever is needed, to get our countries to be more aligned with their RL counterparts, and by this I mean so that we are over the American continents and in positions that correspond correctly to our RPs. I think it is entirely unfair to have us adapt to the new climates we were given, as in almost every case it completely changes the nation. Either that or we be allowed to just ignore the climates we would have and RP the ones we want to have. [/FONT]
[MENTION=1131]Sylvania[/MENTION] [MENTION=60]Frescania[/MENTION] [MENTION=1181]Potenza[/MENTION] [MENTION=1150]Cascadian Republic[/MENTION] [MENTION=296]Attreyu[/MENTION] @Tyrculir

 

[Frescania]

I think this affects more nations that what you think. Revy and I are not pleased with being mostly deserts, given the Long Sea. Plus, I recall Xen mentioning Eurodisney have to be reshaped, or something along those lines.

 

[Warre]

I think the best compromise solution is any 'you have to play the climate specified in your latitude' be thrown out the window. Having to agree with your general region mates? Yes, sure, that's logical because otherwise you might have hot desert suddenly stop and become temperate plains and forest land while being on the same latitude line and roughly in the same spot as each other. If this is not acceptable with the administration for some reason or the other, then I move for the member-nations of Occidentia to vote to have it aligned more properly with IRL North north America in the north, and IRL Central America in the south-ish, as people assumed it was.
[MENTION=1131]Sylvania[/MENTION] [MENTION=1265]Aurarian Republic[/MENTION] [MENTION=1150]Cascadian Republic[/MENTION] [MENTION=1181]Potenza[/MENTION] [MENTION=60]Frescania[/MENTION] [MENTION=296]Attreyu[/MENTION] @Touzen [MENTION=890]Cantignia[/MENTION]

 

[Republic of the Malheur]

I was thinking the exact same thing until yesterday when I realized how difficult the shape of Occidentia. Unless we are willing to consider a redraw of the continent, this is about the best we can hope for (in terms of map placement). Say we did slide north- Coro's Northern Adventures would be less inhabitable than Greenland. Sylvania wouldn't be any better than the continental US and the rest of us southerners would still be more equatorial than we might have hoped for (not that it's a bad thing). I'm more in favor of defining weather patterns and how a massive continental body on the equator with oceanic territories in the north would affect our climate.

Cascadia isn't set in stone yet, so I'm thinking it might be fun to change from rain, hippies and sasquatch to high desert, mariachis and sasquatch.

 

[Touzen]

Considering the shape of the continent is entirely different, your climate would also not be comparable to the RL longitude. You are all more southern, but the continent also only extends not so much to the north, so everything shifts respectively. Of course you are closer to the equator and this has to be factored in, which means you are likely at least a bit warmer than your RL counterparts if we do not add any additional factors into the equation (for example Jurzy has the mountains which change a lot of things for him). That's as far as I can deduct from the map, if you want climate certainty and can't work with the info I just gave you, get the entire continent behind you and work out a proposal for moving north.

 

[Transabina]

I was thinking the exact same thing until yesterday when I realized how difficult the shape of Occidentia. Unless we are willing to consider a redraw of the continent, this is about the best we can hope for (in terms of map placement). Say we did slide north- Coro's Northern Adventures would be less inhabitable than Greenland. Sylvania wouldn't be any better than the continental US and the rest of us southerners would still be more equatorial than we might have hoped for (not that it's a bad thing). I'm more in favor of defining weather patterns and how a massive continental body on the equator with oceanic territories in the north would affect our climate.

Cascadia isn't set in stone yet, so I'm thinking it might be fun to change from rain, hippies and sasquatch to high desert, mariachis and sasquatch.

Sasquatch mariachis?

 

[Oneida]

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Looking at this map, all we really would need to do is move the continent up and our climates should respectively come back, or as close as we can get them. By moving the equator to the center of All-Attreyu, we move the tropics farther south. Assuming All-Attreyu is looking to be a Brazil type of thing, and I only get this idea because of the large river systems, I just think "Brazil" it would be much easier for him to do so.

Also now, with the equator further south, we get much more temperate climates up north, getting back much of Canada and NE USA, like Warr wanted and eventually we even get our icy north back. As for Coro's colony, I would suggest shrinking it and moving it east more, so it's next to Tyrculir as opposed to north of it, this will make it still icy, but at least habitable.

A mountain system could start in the southern map plot, move up through me, through All-Attreyu, creating the source for his river system, and up north as much as people so want them to, this can prevent deserts from forming so no one needs to RP having a desert, unless they want to. Of course, I could be sciencing wrong, I'm not a meteorologist.

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[Tyvia]

I'm not opposed to any of the suggestions brought forth thus far concerning my own geography (nor am I opposed to having to move my pins if it proves necessary), but I don't necessarily think that the concerns raised so far can necessarily be considered that. Given how far north Scania is, and how far south the northernmost parts of Occidentia are, I think that it'd be perfectly reasonable to consider the perhaps somewhat odd (for their latitude) climates in both areas to be down to the currents. I imagine that something similar to the Gulfstream must exist if Arendaal, Suionia, Bantyr, and Samiland are to be anywhere near habitable, and perhaps a similar cold stream coming down from the Arctic is responsible for the colder temperatures in Sylvania and Tyrculir? There's no reason to suppose that just because our country lies where one might in the real world, that the climate will be exactly identical -- far from it, given how different our continents and overall geography are. It's quite easy to play around and to take certain liberties.

As an alternate solution: wouldn't it be possible to do something similar as what happened in central Eurasia, and just move Sylvania + Tyrculir northwards whilst extending/creating spots between them, rather than shifting the continent over?

 

[Hanseatic Republics]

I don't need my place to be very habitable. It's supposed to be 90%(if not more) frosty wasteland. So I endorse moving it further north. If you guys need help re-drawing anything contact me, I'm more than willing to help.

 

[Warre]

The gulf stream thing, aka "letting players in the general area of each other pick the sort've climate they have together" works the best, especially because it also allows for individual climate to work easier too, and makes sense even more so given most capitals in Scania are on or near the coast of their countries.

Not opposed to things being moved, either, but I am opposed to playing a tropical nation when I intended my nation to be New Foundland and the Canadian Maritimes and NE-US-esque/vinland esque, and not as hot and humid as the country I live in IRL. The culture of the Tyrculiric would be totally different if it was that hot, seriously so even.

 

[Republic of the Malheur]

From all the feedback given this afternoon, I think a 15-20 degree northward shift and a new thread discussing climate and topography would take care of everyone's concerns.