Jydsken-Østveg
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You like really direct English I see... perhaps we’ll revisit this topic soon...So I haven't RPed at all in the forum. I've only ever created drama. Clearly.
No, actually. We discussed this in our last argument. I didn’t attack you the first time we met. I already had quarrel with you then from our priors. Remember... I knew who you were and you just didn’t remember me. Don’t forget... I’ve been on this forum since 2004.Libel is a heavy word. I ask you to point to one instance of libel. Don't throw around words you don't know the meaning of. If I had said "Xen told you to make these rules and you did" that would be libel. Did I? No. You and Zeek are extrapolating things from my comments that I never meant and never said.
You can be friends with Xen or not, it's not my issue. I have never "attacked" your friend. You have attacked me multiple times on Discord, by contrast, including the very first time we met. See the difference?
Seeing how suddenly now I find you inexperienced in English, I don’t think you have a right to lecture me on the usage of words. ...and you have attacked Xen before on his RP. I won’t let you get away with that. You also have attacked him on a whole host of other things I cannot even keep track of. I’m sure Xen has though.
Now you have. English isn’t so one dimensional as you believe it to be. Nor any language any really. — On the IC topic itself, you brought it upon yourself. You think you can just leave the forum and our RP interests in keeping the Long Sea region open and free goes away? You think you can just disappear for a few months and then poke the issue of Jews in the Holy Land and the DDI and WZC just ignore it? The first news post you made coming back was a direct confrontation with the DDI and its foreign interests. You can claim ignorance, but the world is not static while you are away. We keep RPing and we don’t forget our strategic interests.I am not bullying anyone. If anything, I could accuse the DDI of IC bullying, but I don't.
My dear sir... I only brought it up because you did. See... Sure you can retort I didn’t mean that... look at the words directly... your words are read that way.I disagree on both points regarding RP and presence, though I fail to see what any of this has to do with forum rules. Your opinion of my RP is irrelevant, both to me and to this topic. Please remain on topic. I always do come for good discussion, Coro. Of the last great forum OOC fights, how many have I been a party to? Zero, to the best of my recollection. I always try to calm people down and remain neutral, as my attitude during the Beautancus debacle showed.
With all due respect, we need to stop citing the discord and any other private or off-forum discussion as a source of law for the forum. I have been on this forum since 2016, and have literally never heard of the Toyou Ban. Instead, I've seen multiple states in Toyou of various cultures and state types, and I've seen no discussion on them regarding Xen or Post-Delegationism. To say these rules have always been around and were just written down is a bit inaccurate in my opinion; this is your interpretation of our customary laws. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's an interpretation, not the positive law beyond all reproach.
Could you link to that please? This is not a "gotcha", I genuinely want to see this. As I've said, I've been here for years, and I've never heard of this rule. Given how often I post, you'd think that'd be at least worth considering.
Certainly. You’ll find it the Touzensphere thread. Which I find interesting, considering all the questions you ask about Post-Delegationism and all the trolling you do about it... funny. I guess you never read about it. There is even a little back and forth about the ban in the thread with Nichtstein and a mention about how it was declared openly on the map application thread at that time.
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Rules that have always been in existence. Only things I have written specifically is an attempt to organize general applications. Your qualm is with things that have existed long before that you‘ve failed to read... things that existed and for some reason you’re only at odds with when I write them.Clearly, given that you wrote the rules.
You don’t have to write it specifically to suggest it. English isn’t a language where one always speaks directly.When did I ever make a threat? Again, you're reading too things into my comments that I never wrote. I said if people see unfairness, they might leave, as happened with the inactivity spike almost two years ago. I didn't say I would leave, or that I saw some great unfairness.
Am I honest. It’s the only part where you were being productive and giving us idea on how to improve things. It has merit and is worth discussion and consideration. If it’s well liked I could add it to modified rules or simply make the rules something shorter like that.I hope you're being honest here, given the rest of your response's tone. If you are, thank you, and let's leave this here.
This is highly insulting and patently untrue. My arguments are rare, and the only people who seem to think they're attacks are you and your clique. You and Zeek can tire of whatever you want; I don't think me and you ever had a good and honest OOC or IC interaction, given that you attacked me the first time we talked on Discord. As for me and Zeek, he's never been particularly friendly towards me ever since the Discord argument over whether states are necessary. I get it, I'm a horrible statist, but this has nothing to do with RP.
I retort with your own quote:
It's only inflammatory if you're looking to be inflamed.
Only in your mind, but I don't I'll ever be able to convince you otherwise. You and Zeek took two perfectly non-hostile, albeit rather pointed, honest comments, one of which mostly consisted of questions (not even positive statements), and managed to spawn a discussion on OOC bullying and supposed threats on my part that I never made. If you're this committed to seeing me as a villain, I think the only way for you not to is for us not to talk. I hate to say it, but this is where we are.
I don’t want see you as a villain! I said it in my previous post! You simply make comments that are thinly veiled attacks. You can take responsibility for them and say sorry... preferably not make them again and we can all move on. I openly came forward and said sorry to you last time we had an argument. If you think I’ve been especially hostile to you here, I am sorry then. However, you can’t just walk up and say the things you say and then put the blame at our feet.